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		<title>By: Annamarie Bohus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annamarie Bohus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Gary.  Kudos for telling it like it is.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Markle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.
Bernie Madoff was a small fry and a fall guy. The &quot;big boys&quot; left town with the loot just before the fall. 

Take off your &quot;lead helmut&quot; and take a really deep look at what has happened, and you&#039;ll see what&#039;s going to happen.

Financial terrorists, the enemy within. Parasites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.<br />
Bernie Madoff was a small fry and a fall guy. The &#8220;big boys&#8221; left town with the loot just before the fall. </p>
<p>Take off your &#8220;lead helmut&#8221; and take a really deep look at what has happened, and you&#8217;ll see what&#8217;s going to happen.</p>
<p>Financial terrorists, the enemy within. Parasites.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Markle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a more philosophical take on what&#039;s really happening in Canada. What&#039;s your take?

Health Care:
As Mr. Obama struggles to bring decent healthcare to all Americans, he faces a great deal of opposition from a specific group of people. Here in Canada, we too are struggling against this same group of people in an effort to retain our public healthcare. These people are known as the “investment class”, their main purpose in life being, to attain “more”. They can also be defined as sociopaths, that being; people who lack that most important ingredient in their persona that defines what it means to be human: The ability to empathize and feel love. Their existence is predicated on gain. There is no room for love or empathy in an avaricious heart. Make no mistake, this is a mental disorder that is infectious, and these people have managed to corrupt our government and lure them into a scheme of a much larger agenda: The privatization of Canada’s healthcare system and the creation of a “perpetual debt”. 

There’s a great deal of money in the healthcare business. Unfortunately, in Canada, as in the United Stated, we’ve discovered that a good one third of our healthcare dollars are being lost through corruption schemes, kickbacks, payoffs and shady stock deals. This amounts to billions of dollars annually that could be used for the advancement of health services. Instead, services are constantly being cut back or eliminated and wait times in hospitals can now be as much as eight to ten hours. All in the name of profit. None of this is necessary. There is a viable solution, but the investment class won’t like it, and it seems that they’re “the tail that wags the dog”. 

I find it ironic, that the fate of our national healthcare should be put in the hands of group of people who are mentally ill and care nothing for the health and wellness of society; rather, they view the population as just another herd of sheep to be fleeced.

I have a news flash for both the investment and ruling classes from the citizens of this country: We’re not a commodity, we’re not your property, and we’re not for sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a more philosophical take on what&#8217;s really happening in Canada. What&#8217;s your take?</p>
<p>Health Care:<br />
As Mr. Obama struggles to bring decent healthcare to all Americans, he faces a great deal of opposition from a specific group of people. Here in Canada, we too are struggling against this same group of people in an effort to retain our public healthcare. These people are known as the “investment class”, their main purpose in life being, to attain “more”. They can also be defined as sociopaths, that being; people who lack that most important ingredient in their persona that defines what it means to be human: The ability to empathize and feel love. Their existence is predicated on gain. There is no room for love or empathy in an avaricious heart. Make no mistake, this is a mental disorder that is infectious, and these people have managed to corrupt our government and lure them into a scheme of a much larger agenda: The privatization of Canada’s healthcare system and the creation of a “perpetual debt”. </p>
<p>There’s a great deal of money in the healthcare business. Unfortunately, in Canada, as in the United Stated, we’ve discovered that a good one third of our healthcare dollars are being lost through corruption schemes, kickbacks, payoffs and shady stock deals. This amounts to billions of dollars annually that could be used for the advancement of health services. Instead, services are constantly being cut back or eliminated and wait times in hospitals can now be as much as eight to ten hours. All in the name of profit. None of this is necessary. There is a viable solution, but the investment class won’t like it, and it seems that they’re “the tail that wags the dog”. </p>
<p>I find it ironic, that the fate of our national healthcare should be put in the hands of group of people who are mentally ill and care nothing for the health and wellness of society; rather, they view the population as just another herd of sheep to be fleeced.</p>
<p>I have a news flash for both the investment and ruling classes from the citizens of this country: We’re not a commodity, we’re not your property, and we’re not for sale.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark, 
I agree with you to an extent.
I wish the Conservative party would stop trying to lure voters who don&#039;t share their ideals.
If the conservatives were to return to their big C roots, they&#039;d satisfy the right and alienate the center and return to reform party - type polling numbers.

However, if Harper were to get his majority, don&#039;t be surprised if that BIG C makes a big comeback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,<br />
I agree with you to an extent.<br />
I wish the Conservative party would stop trying to lure voters who don&#8217;t share their ideals.<br />
If the conservatives were to return to their big C roots, they&#8217;d satisfy the right and alienate the center and return to reform party &#8211; type polling numbers.</p>
<p>However, if Harper were to get his majority, don&#8217;t be surprised if that BIG C makes a big comeback.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Markle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can buy up the politicians then you can buy up the healthcare, controll the population, controll the country.
I can get more technical if you&#039;d like, but I think you can get the idea. I&#039;ll put on my tinfoil hat and get back to you:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can buy up the politicians then you can buy up the healthcare, controll the population, controll the country.<br />
I can get more technical if you&#8217;d like, but I think you can get the idea. I&#8217;ll put on my tinfoil hat and get back to you:)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary -- Since you are apparently serious, I wish to clarify that I am probably ashamed of our government for the very opposite reasons you are.

I am ashamed of Mr. Harper and the government insomuch as they have largely abandoned small-c conservatism.  I&#039;m also unimpressed by their complicity in creating a new &quot;climate deal&quot; at Copenhagen.  It seems they are willing to risk their political base for a green medallion. Time will tell how that plays out.

As for your &quot;financial terrorism&quot; assertion, I am amused but not convinced. Yes, governments have vested financial interests and do seek to encourage businesses to invest in Canada and I&#039;m sure the ruling CPC is as inclined to their causes as are those in Opposition.  I see very little difference between the CPC and the LPoC in that regard. But to say that the corporate elite in America have bought our government is a massive and unsubstantiated stretch.

I also disagree with the concept of a &lt;b&gt;manufactured&lt;/b&gt; crisis.  Yes, there are those who have deftly taken advantage of market conditions, but what good fund managers, banks and traders have not?  (That&#039;s how they make their money!) 

Beyond that, I do not believe any political party, either stateside or here in Canada, has manufactured an economic collapse with malice aforethought.  Did policy have an affect on the slide?  For sure.  Were policy decisions made &lt;b&gt;with the purpose of&lt;/b&gt; precipitating a collapse?  That I find hard to believe.  Even the Clintonian edict to American banks that forced them to issue risky mortgages, while severely poor policy and unjustifiable government interference in the free market, I do not believe was done with the intention of precipitating a housing crisis.

If you have proof then I&#039;d love to hear it.  Right now, though, I think you&#039;re wearing a tinfoil hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary &#8212; Since you are apparently serious, I wish to clarify that I am probably ashamed of our government for the very opposite reasons you are.</p>
<p>I am ashamed of Mr. Harper and the government insomuch as they have largely abandoned small-c conservatism.  I&#8217;m also unimpressed by their complicity in creating a new &#8220;climate deal&#8221; at Copenhagen.  It seems they are willing to risk their political base for a green medallion. Time will tell how that plays out.</p>
<p>As for your &#8220;financial terrorism&#8221; assertion, I am amused but not convinced. Yes, governments have vested financial interests and do seek to encourage businesses to invest in Canada and I&#8217;m sure the ruling CPC is as inclined to their causes as are those in Opposition.  I see very little difference between the CPC and the LPoC in that regard. But to say that the corporate elite in America have bought our government is a massive and unsubstantiated stretch.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the concept of a <b>manufactured</b> crisis.  Yes, there are those who have deftly taken advantage of market conditions, but what good fund managers, banks and traders have not?  (That&#8217;s how they make their money!) </p>
<p>Beyond that, I do not believe any political party, either stateside or here in Canada, has manufactured an economic collapse with malice aforethought.  Did policy have an affect on the slide?  For sure.  Were policy decisions made <b>with the purpose of</b> precipitating a collapse?  That I find hard to believe.  Even the Clintonian edict to American banks that forced them to issue risky mortgages, while severely poor policy and unjustifiable government interference in the free market, I do not believe was done with the intention of precipitating a housing crisis.</p>
<p>If you have proof then I&#8217;d love to hear it.  Right now, though, I think you&#8217;re wearing a tinfoil hat.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gary, 
I&#039;m going to come out and say that I am cynical about most politicians and lobbyists.  However, you seem to up the ante quite a bit.
Can you explain what you mean by Financial Terrorism?  Keep in mind that I&#039;m not really in the market for a tin foil hat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gary,<br />
I&#8217;m going to come out and say that I am cynical about most politicians and lobbyists.  However, you seem to up the ante quite a bit.<br />
Can you explain what you mean by Financial Terrorism?  Keep in mind that I&#8217;m not really in the market for a tin foil hat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Markle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To RD - Yes, electoral financial reform. Even the playing field.

To Mark Peters -  It&#039;s not sarcasm, just an ugly truth. &quot;Financial Terrorism&quot; knows no borders, nor favors any political stripes. Greed rules.  A lot of that money that &quot;dissapeared&quot; is being &quot;invested&quot; in Canada, buying politicians. Clear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To RD &#8211; Yes, electoral financial reform. Even the playing field.</p>
<p>To Mark Peters &#8211;  It&#8217;s not sarcasm, just an ugly truth. &#8220;Financial Terrorism&#8221; knows no borders, nor favors any political stripes. Greed rules.  A lot of that money that &#8220;dissapeared&#8221; is being &#8220;invested&#8221; in Canada, buying politicians. Clear?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, I can only assume your comment is pure sarcasm. Please clarify before I spend another moment considering it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, I can only assume your comment is pure sarcasm. Please clarify before I spend another moment considering it.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gary, 
I can appreciate where you&#039;re coming from but I have the feeling that this applies to both sides of the aisle, and both the US and Canada.
Notice how the healthcare reform is being turfed by democrats who are heavily supported by insurance companies?  It was their own party that was pushing a single payer system originally.

Are we going to say that Paul Martin had no ties to industry?
The whole lot of them are corrupt, and yet, I&#039;m not too eager to vote for a non corporatist party like the NDP...
Campaign finance reform is the only way to get people elected by the electorate and not the corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gary,<br />
I can appreciate where you&#8217;re coming from but I have the feeling that this applies to both sides of the aisle, and both the US and Canada.<br />
Notice how the healthcare reform is being turfed by democrats who are heavily supported by insurance companies?  It was their own party that was pushing a single payer system originally.</p>
<p>Are we going to say that Paul Martin had no ties to industry?<br />
The whole lot of them are corrupt, and yet, I&#8217;m not too eager to vote for a non corporatist party like the NDP&#8230;<br />
Campaign finance reform is the only way to get people elected by the electorate and not the corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Markle</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/12/08/obligatory-copenhagen-post/comment-page-1/#comment-214241</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Markle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Change In Climate

I really must apologize for all Canadians for the performance of our government and Mr. Harper in particular. We’re very ashamed. But you must realize that our government is not really ours. They’re controlled by the corporate elite of America. Not the American government, but the Neo-cons, the financial terrorists who have deliberately created the financial crisis in an effort to depress markets, buy up resources at a discount, and create cheap labour. They’re not interested in saving the planet, just selling it. 

Yes, we’re the bad guys, but not by choice. We’re being controlled by financial terrorists, the enemy within. Parasites. They know no borders, have no allegiance and have infected all governments. Again, we’re sorry. 

There’s little consolation in knowing that our world leaders will spend eternity in Hell when there’s so much suffering worldwide caused by their incompetence and greed. Can anyone save us?

G. W. Markle
506-55 McMurchy Ave. N.
Brampton, ON
Canada
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416 433 2217</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Change In Climate</p>
<p>I really must apologize for all Canadians for the performance of our government and Mr. Harper in particular. We’re very ashamed. But you must realize that our government is not really ours. They’re controlled by the corporate elite of America. Not the American government, but the Neo-cons, the financial terrorists who have deliberately created the financial crisis in an effort to depress markets, buy up resources at a discount, and create cheap labour. They’re not interested in saving the planet, just selling it. </p>
<p>Yes, we’re the bad guys, but not by choice. We’re being controlled by financial terrorists, the enemy within. Parasites. They know no borders, have no allegiance and have infected all governments. Again, we’re sorry. </p>
<p>There’s little consolation in knowing that our world leaders will spend eternity in Hell when there’s so much suffering worldwide caused by their incompetence and greed. Can anyone save us?</p>
<p>G. W. Markle<br />
506-55 McMurchy Ave. N.<br />
Brampton, ON<br />
Canada<br />
L6X 1X9<br />
416 433 2217</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Durward

I agree with the investigative aspect of your comment and the potential breaches of sovereignty entailed in the draft environmental pacts.  But I disagree with avoiding Copenhagen.  Leaders have to lead and they have to be present at pivotal conferences like this.

The best we can hope for is a clear and steadfast refusal by the PM to sign Canada on to any pact that hands over policy-making and -enforcement power to supranational organizations and/or involves global carbon trading.

If he can avoid both of these then he&#039;ll win the day and preserve the base.  If he fails, I suspect he&#039;ll be in trouble with the base, meaning the CPC will be in  much more serious trouble than they will if they don&#039;t sign on to any sort of treaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durward</p>
<p>I agree with the investigative aspect of your comment and the potential breaches of sovereignty entailed in the draft environmental pacts.  But I disagree with avoiding Copenhagen.  Leaders have to lead and they have to be present at pivotal conferences like this.</p>
<p>The best we can hope for is a clear and steadfast refusal by the PM to sign Canada on to any pact that hands over policy-making and -enforcement power to supranational organizations and/or involves global carbon trading.</p>
<p>If he can avoid both of these then he&#8217;ll win the day and preserve the base.  If he fails, I suspect he&#8217;ll be in trouble with the base, meaning the CPC will be in  much more serious trouble than they will if they don&#8217;t sign on to any sort of treaty.</p>
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		<title>By: Durward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. it&#039;s not about saving the party anymore it&#039;s about saving the country and the people from oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. it&#8217;s not about saving the party anymore it&#8217;s about saving the country and the people from oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Durward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abattoir 
Then Harper should do what is right and not even go to Copenhagen, Start an investigation into the U of Vic in BC, demand NASA&#039;s raw data, demand the raw data from all involved.
Yes he will alienate us if he commits treason!, and I&#039;ve told the party as much.
It&#039;s not even the targets(though that&#039;s theft) it&#039;s the transfer of power to the UN, it&#039;s treason! and far more dangerous than just a collapsed economy, think on that a moment.
Agenda 21 must be thrown out, all legislation related to it enacted already must be repealed. the Jig is up.
What really ticks me off is Harper has always known it&#039;s a scam but never had the guts to address the country and explain it, or have DR Ball do it, he just paid lip service to it allowing it to continue as propaganda all the while convincing more and more fools that it was real, and now we have Conservative environment Ministers treating it as real.
We have a constitutional right to good government and this is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abattoir<br />
Then Harper should do what is right and not even go to Copenhagen, Start an investigation into the U of Vic in BC, demand NASA&#8217;s raw data, demand the raw data from all involved.<br />
Yes he will alienate us if he commits treason!, and I&#8217;ve told the party as much.<br />
It&#8217;s not even the targets(though that&#8217;s theft) it&#8217;s the transfer of power to the UN, it&#8217;s treason! and far more dangerous than just a collapsed economy, think on that a moment.<br />
Agenda 21 must be thrown out, all legislation related to it enacted already must be repealed. the Jig is up.<br />
What really ticks me off is Harper has always known it&#8217;s a scam but never had the guts to address the country and explain it, or have DR Ball do it, he just paid lip service to it allowing it to continue as propaganda all the while convincing more and more fools that it was real, and now we have Conservative environment Ministers treating it as real.<br />
We have a constitutional right to good government and this is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: Abattoir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abattoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue is very dangerous for the CPC. If they act at all, they risk alienating their grassroots base in the west. If they don&#039;t act strongly enough, they risk losing what support they&#039;ve gained in the east.

Either way lies further minority governments, or defeat. Copenhagen might serve as a lightning rod for both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue is very dangerous for the CPC. If they act at all, they risk alienating their grassroots base in the west. If they don&#8217;t act strongly enough, they risk losing what support they&#8217;ve gained in the east.</p>
<p>Either way lies further minority governments, or defeat. Copenhagen might serve as a lightning rod for both sides.</p>
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