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	<title>Comments on: Stephen Harper: I Heart Torture</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan McLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213486</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken, I have removed the quotation marks.  I was mainly just going for the pop culture reference.

However, I stand by my criticism of his government, and their complicity in possible torture.  Mr. Harper has demonstrated in the past that he has control over the message his government sends out.  If his government does not change course on this matter, I will stand by the basic point of my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, I have removed the quotation marks.  I was mainly just going for the pop culture reference.</p>
<p>However, I stand by my criticism of his government, and their complicity in possible torture.  Mr. Harper has demonstrated in the past that he has control over the message his government sends out.  If his government does not change course on this matter, I will stand by the basic point of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Calder</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213485</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the title, I&#039;d suggest removing the quotes. You&#039;re bordering on libel there.

It&#039;s a little far afield to make that connection too.

It&#039;s like accusing him of supporting the drowning and abuse of kittens just because he didn&#039;t join in the protest against the Seal Hunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the title, I&#8217;d suggest removing the quotes. You&#8217;re bordering on libel there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little far afield to make that connection too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like accusing him of supporting the drowning and abuse of kittens just because he didn&#8217;t join in the protest against the Seal Hunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Calder</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213484</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion about our presence in Afghanistan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly not, and please don&#039;t think I&#039;m being an apologist here. I support an open discussion surrounding the topic of torture. However, that being said, I don&#039;t want to see this commission hi-jacked for something not directly related to the investigation. 1, it would totally defeat the reason for the initial commission, and 2) it only serves to cloudy up the waters allowing for further legal wrangling. We are all very aware of how adept lawyers are at getting previous testimony&#039;s disregarded because &quot;the statements were made improperly&quot; or whatever such nonsense.

IF the opposition parties want this man to testify regarding a specific subject, plainly put: follow the rules and do it right.

So while I agree that procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion, I believe it&#039;s wholly ignorant to dismiss them because doing so corrupts the system and allows for loopholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion about our presence in Afghanistan.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly not, and please don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m being an apologist here. I support an open discussion surrounding the topic of torture. However, that being said, I don&#8217;t want to see this commission hi-jacked for something not directly related to the investigation. 1, it would totally defeat the reason for the initial commission, and 2) it only serves to cloudy up the waters allowing for further legal wrangling. We are all very aware of how adept lawyers are at getting previous testimony&#8217;s disregarded because &#8220;the statements were made improperly&#8221; or whatever such nonsense.</p>
<p>IF the opposition parties want this man to testify regarding a specific subject, plainly put: follow the rules and do it right.</p>
<p>So while I agree that procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion, I believe it&#8217;s wholly ignorant to dismiss them because doing so corrupts the system and allows for loopholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan McLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213483</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, there is little doubt in my mind that people will try to hi-jack the investigation to push other goals.  I also wouldn&#039;t be terribly surprised if those running the inquiry decide to expand their scope a bit.

However, I find this irrelevant when judging the action of the Conservative government.  Mr. Colvin may have no relevant information to offer the investigation (assuming the narrow focus of the investigation is adhered to), but the government shouldn&#039;t be making that decision.  Let&#039;s find out what he has to say and let the investigation determine its relevance.

Further, if Mr. Colvin has alarming information that falls outside of the purview of the investigation, the Conservative government should let that information be known (possibly excepting for classified information), then either refute any allegations or address any issues of torture that come to light.

Procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion about our presence in Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, there is little doubt in my mind that people will try to hi-jack the investigation to push other goals.  I also wouldn&#8217;t be terribly surprised if those running the inquiry decide to expand their scope a bit.</p>
<p>However, I find this irrelevant when judging the action of the Conservative government.  Mr. Colvin may have no relevant information to offer the investigation (assuming the narrow focus of the investigation is adhered to), but the government shouldn&#8217;t be making that decision.  Let&#8217;s find out what he has to say and let the investigation determine its relevance.</p>
<p>Further, if Mr. Colvin has alarming information that falls outside of the purview of the investigation, the Conservative government should let that information be known (possibly excepting for classified information), then either refute any allegations or address any issues of torture that come to light.</p>
<p>Procedural concerns should not trump a robust discussion about our presence in Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Calder</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213482</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Calder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, that&#039;s not what I got out of the article at all.

The way I read it was that the Opposition Parties are trying to find ways to tie the Conservatives to torture in any way, shape and form, and they want to use this diplomat to do it.

Laurie Hawn, in my opinion, is stating that this investigation has been limited by the Federal Court to the conduct of the Military Police only, and he (and his department) is seeking to ensure that if the diplomat testifies at this commission that it will remain within the confines and purview of those limitations.

To me it looks like a department protecting a diplomat from being the subjected to a witch-hunt simply because he&#039;s testifying. If someone is intending to conduct exploratory questioning outside the limitations of the commission, it&#039;s a valid concern, and an appropriate action to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, that&#8217;s not what I got out of the article at all.</p>
<p>The way I read it was that the Opposition Parties are trying to find ways to tie the Conservatives to torture in any way, shape and form, and they want to use this diplomat to do it.</p>
<p>Laurie Hawn, in my opinion, is stating that this investigation has been limited by the Federal Court to the conduct of the Military Police only, and he (and his department) is seeking to ensure that if the diplomat testifies at this commission that it will remain within the confines and purview of those limitations.</p>
<p>To me it looks like a department protecting a diplomat from being the subjected to a witch-hunt simply because he&#8217;s testifying. If someone is intending to conduct exploratory questioning outside the limitations of the commission, it&#8217;s a valid concern, and an appropriate action to take.</p>
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		<title>By: TangoJuliette</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213475</link>
		<dc:creator>TangoJuliette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iggy &quot;authored, articulated, advocated and propogated&quot; the tome on torture. He&#039;s one of the main reasons George W&#039;s wars were as &quot;dirty&quot; as the seem to have been.

The last couple of items for the &quot;-gate&quot; file:

shutthegate

majoritygate.


THEN we&#039;ll find out ALL about Adscam, the Gun Registry, HRDC, etc etc etc.


t.e. &amp; o.e.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iggy &#8220;authored, articulated, advocated and propogated&#8221; the tome on torture. He&#8217;s one of the main reasons George W&#8217;s wars were as &#8220;dirty&#8221; as the seem to have been.</p>
<p>The last couple of items for the &#8220;-gate&#8221; file:</p>
<p>shutthegate</p>
<p>majoritygate.</p>
<p>THEN we&#8217;ll find out ALL about Adscam, the Gun Registry, HRDC, etc etc etc.</p>
<p>t.e. &amp; o.e.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213474</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, isn&#039;t Iggy a self-proclaimed proponent of torture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, isn&#8217;t Iggy a self-proclaimed proponent of torture?</p>
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		<title>By: NeilD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213473</link>
		<dc:creator>NeilD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t about torture.  It&#039;s about trying to bring about as much embarrassment as possible to the government.
Wafergate.
Logogate.
Torturegate.
It&#039;s never ending.
I&#039;m with Laurie Hawn on this one.
NeilD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t about torture.  It&#8217;s about trying to bring about as much embarrassment as possible to the government.<br />
Wafergate.<br />
Logogate.<br />
Torturegate.<br />
It&#8217;s never ending.<br />
I&#8217;m with Laurie Hawn on this one.<br />
NeilD</p>
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		<title>By: Rob C</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/10/03/stephen-harper-i-heart-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-213470</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this torture carried out by Canadian soldiers? If not what are we supposed to do with captured prisoners. Bring them back to Canada ? That would be an incredibly stupid move.  The alternative would be  &quot;DO NOT TAKE ANY PRISONERS ALIVE.  Imagine how much that would give the bleeding hearts to squawk  about .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this torture carried out by Canadian soldiers? If not what are we supposed to do with captured prisoners. Bring them back to Canada ? That would be an incredibly stupid move.  The alternative would be  &#8220;DO NOT TAKE ANY PRISONERS ALIVE.  Imagine how much that would give the bleeding hearts to squawk  about .</p>
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