What do the Opposition parties propose for the economy?
November 29, 2008 · By Charles Anthony
I find it quite astonishing that there is absolutely nothing coming from the Opposition parties as alternative policies to ruling Conservative government. All they can do is complain and produce a motion to topple the government:
The Liberals have prepared a motion saying the House of Commons has lost confidence in the Conservatives, their economic strategy is insufficient in the face of the global financial crisis and they’ve failed to introduce a plan to boost the economy.
Uh….. OK. So, the House has lost confidence but what should be the economic strategy??? Let me be clear: I am not saying that the Conservative strategies are fine. I just find it hilarious that the Opposition has not presented any alternatives. You would think they would have at least something. Maybe Canadians should fear the Opposition parties more than anything else!
If anybody has found something resembling a shadow budget from the Opposition parties, please let me know.
Not to mention if they were allowed to form government it would take a long time for the Libs/NDP to get up to speed with their Ministries, and longer still to formulate and execute a plan. It would be disaster.
No shadow budget has made the media except CTVs Fife reported yeaterday that
Dion caved to Layton’s demand to drop the $50B in corporate tax cuts, and
Quebec gets more money.
No plan, just a funding source and a deep dark hole to drop the funds into.
I think it would be HIGHLY irresponsible for them to take power BEFORE telling Canadians what they plan to do. Simply calling the conservative plan inadequate without detailing your own plan is not reason enough to over throw a government.
Who says they don’t have a plan? It’s called national bankruptcy, and they have already laid it out.
The Liberals under Stephane the Stupid would hold a series of consultations with the G-20, the central bankers in the G-7, the IMF, the Bank of Canada, and the world. Dion already said so in the last election campaign.
Jack the Brain-Impaired would rescind the corporate tax cuts. The folks representing the profitable firms (and these are the majority)have already responded to that idea through one of their spokesmen who said: “The last business to leave Canada must remember to turn off the lights.”
Gilles the Assasin has said he wants policies that are good for Quebec and the rest of the country be damned. That means more money shipped to Quebec so they can have cheaper daycare.
So, as you can see, these guys do have a plan. The plan is to throw so much money at everything, except in western Canada, that the country will require another 100 years to pay of the debt.
Long live the coalition!
Yes they do have a plan.Its line their pockets and give their buddies envelopes of tax money for xmas.Oh and pay off the Liberal debts.Oh and send more money to Quebec.Oh and cut off the tax breaks to small business.Oh and boost the GST back to 7%.OH and give us a nice big fat green tax.WHAT A GD JOKE THES THREE opposition parties are.
I’d like to extend a warm congratulations to future PM Dion and thank the right honourable harper for his bully minded lack of gravitas
This entire action is an outrage. What are we? A banana republic now? We voted in an election a few weeks ago and now these slimy rats are going to infest Canada?
Hey Kenny. I think you took a wrong turn and ended up at the Politic. Let me help redirect you. I think you meant to go here:
http://www.torontostar.com
Go share your bean curd canapes over there with your like-minded fools.
fI think it would be HIGHLY irresponsible for them to take power BEFORE telling Canadians what they plan to do
errethouse on November 29th, 2008 10:36 pm [#
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Why so? The Conservatives didn’t have a policy statement until the last week of the campaign.
Why has no one played the ‘shouldn’t have been an election anyway ’til Oct 2009′ card?
The public I think are going to be soon reminded of that one.
For all those outraged by the proposal to replace the Conservatives with a coalition government, I would remind you that we do not have an American-style electoral system. No-one outside of Calgary Southwest voted for Stephen Harper.
We have a British-style Parliamentary system. This means that:
- A minority government MUST establish and retain confidence of the House.
- The government can fall on a vote in the House.
- There is no rule that the party with the most seats becomes the government.
- If the government falls, it is choice of the GG to decide what is in Canada’s best interests: another election, or give another party the chance to form government.
- Coalition governments are not without precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_Affair
You might see this as a coup; I see this as the opposition finally growing a spine and standing up to the Conservatives. They are performing their constitutional duty, and every minority government needs to remember that this is a possibility if they try to rule like a majority.
I’m sure I’d be equally p*ssed off if roles were reversed, but let’s not muddy the waters by calling this anti-democratic or unconstitutional. This IS parliamentary democracy. If you don’t like it, you’ll have to change the Constitution.
Now is the time to invest all of your money in document shredding companies.
I think it’s really funny that glacial focuses so much on how I choose to eat instead of what I’m saying.
As well it’s really funny for those of you who are suggesting the coalition hasn’t released any position (position paper was released already) or that the Harper Conservatives are so much further along in having “a plan.”
The main problem here is that Harper in his first address in the new sitting of parliament was to act with such partisanship.
A real troubling thing here is that people are further also unable to distinguish between Canadian styled conservativism and the party of one that is Harper with his ibogaine snorting mp bodyguards who follow his lead and bully conformity onto his spineless members who sit there in awe (since the PMO doesn’t allow them to open their mouths)
You’re wearing your PINK panties today, aren’t you Kenny?
Anyone with half a brain, is outraged by these three Barak Obama-wannabe’s taking over the country. A man whose own party does not support him is supposedly going to lead this country? Oh, he’ll lead us alright, right into the toilet.
These clowns want a “stimulus” package? Let them go stimulate themselves!
Donate to the Conservative Party today! We must defeat this coup!
Don’t be such an idjit Kenny. Harper has bodyguards because of the death threats he receives by left-wing nutbars such as yourself.
a) I haven’t endorsed anything the coalition has said or promised
b) I don’t think you quite understood what I was saying in reference to bodyguards. *hint* I didn’t mean the RCMP
c) Because Harper is not my leader I am de facto a pinko/left-wing nutbar; again revealing comments about your capacity to understand
Here glacial this is written for someone slow minded like yourself
http://www.answers.com/topic/whip-politics
I was ‘hinting’ that maaaaaaybe he uses the whip too much and we all know he has more than one whip and they are very easily identified to objective observers and the penalty for not following Papa Harper’s line is all too clear.
http://www.garth.ca/weblog/200.....ting-time/
“That became obvious on CTV three hours after my event, when a Harper spokesperson, during a panel discussion on me, took untruthfulness to a giddy new height. Turner had to be turfed from caucus, he said, since he sat there and punched what people were saying into his Blackberry and sent it to his blog.
Holy crap! At least tell a credible lie, bud. The evil whip’s people confiscate Berries at the caucus room door, and the RCMP say they have a block on transmissions from that room. Besides, that guy had never been in caucus.
But I digress. Attacks like that by yet another overpaid, over-juiced, unaccountable, backroom spin doctor show in spades exactly what’s wrong with this political system. MPs attacked by staffers. No free votes in the House. No policy debates in caucus. The leader threatening his followers. A ban on talking to the media. Neutered committees. Broken promises. Big machine.”
glacialgal, maybe your level of discussion is best suited to youtube comments. Maybe you should go there and let the adults have a real debate.
Oh goodie, one of Kenny’s girlfriends is here to help him out. Boo fricken hoo!
To the grown ups on the forum, here is a petition you may sign to voice your opposition to the evil triumvirate that Kenny and his little Toronto Star pals love so much:
http://www.nocoalition.ca
News flash Kenny: in Canada we ELECT our leaders!
News flash to glacialgal: No we don’t. We elect our Members of Parliament, not the leaders of our government. It is strictly at the discretion of the GG to decide which party enjoys the confidence of the House of Commons. Not a single MP will be replaced unless the GG dissolves Parliament.
In this situation, the GG must respect the voice of the people, by keeping the Parliament that Canadians elected intact if possible. This means not dissolving Parliament and calling an election if the government falls.
Harper’s only chance is to ask the GG to prorogue Parliament until January, and hope the coalition falls apart on its own by then. Otherwise, you’re looking at Prime Minister Dion by next week.
Whatevev Mr. Abattoir. Go kill another cow will you and we’ll all eat a nice, juicy steak just to make Kenny jealous. This whole thing is an outrage! A plate of red meat just might make us all feel better.
Run along now Kenny. Your soy milk is getting warm.
We certainly do NOT want three jackasses in the form of Duceppe the Dunce, Layton the commie and Stephanie the girlish Dion leading us, do we? Did we ELECT those asshats Mr. A? NO!
Sign the petition:
http://www.nocoalition.ca
Vote in the poll on the commie TV station:
http://www.ctv.ca
We elected those Members of Parliament just as much as we elected Harper. Once again for the slow ones in the crowd – we don’t elect the government, we elect our individual Members of Parliament.
Whoever enjoys the confidence of the House of Commons gets to form government. Period. Harper lost it, Dion found it.
Harper screwed up royally, and now he loses control of the government. He practically dared the opposition to bring him down, and they called his bluff. He can’t fix it, he can’t stop it. We’re way past that point now.
There’s no use crying over spilled milk, glacialgal. See if Ken has some extra that he can share with you.
I don’t drink soy Mr. A! Let’s have a martini sometime and make Kenny squeal with jealousy!
Did we ELECT a coalition government? Of course we didn’t. The rug is being pulled out from the feet of Canadians and you are sitting back laughing in typical left-wing nutbar fashion. You won’t think it is so funny when they begin to tax you to death and start censoring your every word on the Politic and every other website you haunt.
Harper didn’t screw up. He was leading the way in cutting funding to those asshats who rely on taxpayer money to rip this country apart. I agree with his funding cuts to the pathetic welfare celeb’s too, just for the record.
Glacial coalition governments by definition generally are formed after the fact.
Preconfederation a number of conservative parties did it
Post Confed is more important obviously
Federally:
The Conservatives did it first when Robert Borden formed one during WWI (that’s a world war not a Nintendo gaming device)
Provincially:
BC –> a Liberal-Conservative coalition governed for 10 years, 1941 to 1951.
Even closer to home, are you old enough to remember the Peterson-Rae coalition here in Ontario?
Unfortunately I don’t drink soy milk either so again work on your material it’s a little flat. You like to make up things about me so maybe I’ll do some imagining about you.
I picture you as around 5’6 180 mother of two (maybe a third on the way) horribly unintelligent and worse yet unattractive children who are undersized because you smoked (and drank — but only a little) while they were in the womb.
Your idea of educating and informing them consists of letting them listen to any AM radio call in show they like and watching teletubbies.
You experimented once with ‘other women’ but you don’t like to talk about it because 3/4′s of the way through your period started but she didn’t complain as it was an improvement in flavour.
You have been through a string of short term relationships (though not technically meeting the standards for a relationship except for the penetrative aspect) most ending as soon as they get to know you.
You have read all the Harry Potter books (twice) you like a good dose of Tim Horton’s twice daily as well (because you think it’s still owned by Canadians) you have no RRSP savings and live off of the avails of exhibiting your genitals online through a website called http://www.fatgirlsneedlovetoo.com
am I close?
glacialgal,
Once again – we don’t elect the government. We elect our MPs. Typically, it’s the party with the most seats that gets to form government, but not necessarily. When the government loses the confidence of the HoC, if the GG believes there is a viable alternative, it is her DUTY to avoid an election.
Canadians spoke not 2 months ago, and voted their MPs to the HoC. The Parliament we have is the will of the people. It is the GG’s job to respect that decision and try to make it work. Sending it back to the people is supposed to be a last resort when there is no viable alternative.
One more time: this is how a Westminster-style Parliamentary system is SUPPOSED to work. If you really want an American-style plebiscite democracy, move to the US.
Ken,
Ouch. Not cool. Don’t sink to her level.
Kenny! Why the hatred for children and why am I not surprised in the least?
I am 100% straight and hot, hot, hot! Eat your heart out! Oh wait, you’re not interested in women. Sorry, forgot.
Oh, and I attend church too.
Now go listen to your smooth jazz and let the real men around here contribute.
Hot hot hot as in the end of your cigarette?
I don’t hate children at all and I like women just fine one of them just finished my late dinner and is bringing me some wine.
The only jazz I like is acid
The men on here are contributing just fine, it’s you that isn’t
Inflatable dolls don’t count as having a woman Kenny.
I see you had that fatgirls website right at your fingertips too. Must be listed on your favourites for easy access on lonely Friday nights.
Back to topic!
Charles I WILL say it if you won’t: Conservative strategies ARE fine. Just fine.
Taking away the right to strike by the monopoly of the civil service? Fine.
Removing public funding to political parties? Fine, just fine.
Demonstrating strength and true leadership by PM Harper? Fine, very fine.
Inflating the money supply? NOT FINE!
Glacial you continually demonstrate the total inability to understand the implications of what you write which is similar it seems to your chosen leader. Great stuff, tell me again how the total removal of funding public political discourse is “fine, just fine” This type of funding is used in all the G7 countries and in most healthy democracies in one form or another.
In my opinion you have intellectual levels comparable to livestock
Oh Kenny. You just can’t get livestock off your mind can you? You are dying for a thick, juicy steak aren’t you? You vegans are fixated on red meat! LOL Maybe Mr. Abattoir will kill a cow for you.
Go PM Harper! Remove public funding of political parties. The lazy left need to get off their butts for the first time ever and raise their own campaign money!
Make the do-nothings like Kashi-crunching Kenny get a taste of the real world.
a) Kashi has honey which I do not eat keep proving your idiocy
b) I never liked beef so I’m certainly not missing it
c) I love how you avoid the fact that all the “G” countries have and use funding like this and both ‘right’ and ‘left’ commentators feel it’s absolutely vital for a healthy democracy I guess you’re too busy reading only what you want to see.
No honey either Kenny? LOL! No wonder you’re such a sourpuss!
We are not talking about the “G” countries Kenny, we are talking about Canada here. A healthy democracy is one in which the government stays the hell out of our daily lives as much as possible. But you wouldn’t understand that Kenny. You just love being mollycoddled and babied.