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	<title>Comments on: Legalizing Incest: Less Libertarian, more Socialist Concerns</title>
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		<title>By: Billards Champ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billards Champ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day there really is no case against the parents.

If you based your argument against incest on the premise that the children might have genetic defects, then you might as well extend that to ANYONE with genetic defects i.e. sufferers of Parkinsons disease, MS, AIDS, etc.  which I am sure you won't hear many people talking about. Eugenics is a sensitive topic.

I agree it SHOULDN'T happen, but lets all pull our heads out of the sand and be realist for a change ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day there really is no case against the parents.</p>
<p>If you based your argument against incest on the premise that the children might have genetic defects, then you might as well extend that to ANYONE with genetic defects i.e. sufferers of Parkinsons disease, MS, AIDS, etc.  which I am sure you won&#8217;t hear many people talking about. Eugenics is a sensitive topic.</p>
<p>I agree it SHOULDN&#8217;T happen, but lets all pull our heads out of the sand and be realist for a change ;).</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the brother and sister truly love each other, and provide support for each other in a way that no one else could, it does seem cruel to separate them. 


The people who will suffer most from this are the children. 

Let them stay together if he has a vasectomy or she has her tubes tied. 


End of story.  It seems so obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the brother and sister truly love each other, and provide support for each other in a way that no one else could, it does seem cruel to separate them. </p>
<p>The people who will suffer most from this are the children. </p>
<p>Let them stay together if he has a vasectomy or she has her tubes tied. </p>
<p>End of story.  It seems so obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just show them how to use a condom or give them free birth control.  Problem solved.  

Why make this discussion so complicated?  


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There is a reason why this discussion is so complicated: outlawing incest is ridiculous.  
Even if the goal is to prevent mentally retarded children from being born, it is a ridiculous thing to outlaw.  You may as well outlaw bad parenting or promiscuity.  

What are you going to do??  Put them in jail??? Take the children away??  Confiscate their property??  



"&lt;i&gt;In the event that there is actually two consensting adults, then you must ask: how do you define harm?&lt;/i&gt;"
No, you must not ask that question.  The concept of harm does not apply.  

Rather, you restrict the discussion solely to whether the actions were consensual as you did by questioning maturity and mental capacity.  

Nevertheless, consent is consent.  Just because a person is unintelligent or misinformed and makes what-we-would-define-as bad choices, we still can not dismiss their consent particularly for things that are subjective.  


"&lt;i&gt;It is completely different to produce them on purpose.&lt;/i&gt;"  
You can never really know the intent of a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just show them how to use a condom or give them free birth control.  Problem solved.  </p>
<p>Why make this discussion so complicated?  </p>
<p>&#8212;  </p>
<p>There is a reason why this discussion is so complicated: outlawing incest is ridiculous.<br />
Even if the goal is to prevent mentally retarded children from being born, it is a ridiculous thing to outlaw.  You may as well outlaw bad parenting or promiscuity.  </p>
<p>What are you going to do??  Put them in jail??? Take the children away??  Confiscate their property??  </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In the event that there is actually two consensting adults, then you must ask: how do you define harm?</i>&#8221;<br />
No, you must not ask that question.  The concept of harm does not apply.  </p>
<p>Rather, you restrict the discussion solely to whether the actions were consensual as you did by questioning maturity and mental capacity.  </p>
<p>Nevertheless, consent is consent.  Just because a person is unintelligent or misinformed and makes what-we-would-define-as bad choices, we still can not dismiss their consent particularly for things that are subjective.  </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>It is completely different to produce them on purpose.</i>&#8221;<br />
You can never really know the intent of a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Foster Karcha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foster Karcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The libertarian mantra is that two consenting adults should be prevented, or punished, by government as long as no one is harmed.  While we can argue whether a 17 year old can make adult decisions, we can all agree that a combination of immaturity, mental handicap, and traumatic events seem to suggest this case did not involve two consenting adults.

In the event that there is actually two consensting adults, then you must ask: how do you define harm?.  Is increased change of genetic defeact harm? Slippery slope indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The libertarian mantra is that two consenting adults should be prevented, or punished, by government as long as no one is harmed.  While we can argue whether a 17 year old can make adult decisions, we can all agree that a combination of immaturity, mental handicap, and traumatic events seem to suggest this case did not involve two consenting adults.</p>
<p>In the event that there is actually two consensting adults, then you must ask: how do you define harm?.  Is increased change of genetic defeact harm? Slippery slope indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Attila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember when opponents of affirming gay marriage complained that it would start us down a slippery slope?

It's interesting how the arguments for decriminalizing incest sound sort of familiar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember when opponents of affirming gay marriage complained that it would start us down a slippery slope?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how the arguments for decriminalizing incest sound sort of familiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn't that it &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt;.  It is that it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt;.  

4 out of 4 is not a situation where we can say maybe.  4 out of 4 is practically guaranteed.

How can you love someone so much that you would willingly and with intent, produce disabled progeny?  How is giving broken progeny to your love a good thing ever?

It is one thing for a couple who are normal and healthy to produce a disabled child.  You still love that child, but you also know that it is just an extraordinary circumstance.  It is completely different to produce them on purpose.

I am not advocating sterilization or that kind of nonsense.  I am just saying it is one factor that should remain in the picture to maintain a cultural and legislative stigma against incest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t that it <i>can</i>.  It is that it <i>does</i>.  </p>
<p>4 out of 4 is not a situation where we can say maybe.  4 out of 4 is practically guaranteed.</p>
<p>How can you love someone so much that you would willingly and with intent, produce disabled progeny?  How is giving broken progeny to your love a good thing ever?</p>
<p>It is one thing for a couple who are normal and healthy to produce a disabled child.  You still love that child, but you also know that it is just an extraordinary circumstance.  It is completely different to produce them on purpose.</p>
<p>I am not advocating sterilization or that kind of nonsense.  I am just saying it is one factor that should remain in the picture to maintain a cultural and legislative stigma against incest.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminalizing it because it can lead to genetic defects in the children is a slippery slope.

It brings to mind the Canadian couple who were deaf and who used fertility technology to ensure that their child would also be deaf (the female embryos had a high chance of carrying the genetic defect).

Eugenics is going to be a BIG topic of debate over the next few decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminalizing it because it can lead to genetic defects in the children is a slippery slope.</p>
<p>It brings to mind the Canadian couple who were deaf and who used fertility technology to ensure that their child would also be deaf (the female embryos had a high chance of carrying the genetic defect).</p>
<p>Eugenics is going to be a BIG topic of debate over the next few decades.</p>
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