Comments on: The Liberal Platform’s Cement Ship http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/ Conservative group weblog that publishes daily commentary on political events and topics affecting Canada, the United States and the world. Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:33:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: jmrSudbury http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180123 jmrSudbury Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:37:49 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180123 The small improvements are nowhere near good enough. The Prius only goes short distances (40 miles) before needed the gas/diesel engine. The batteries are still not able to handle the driving distances plus the accessories, like the radio, to which we have become accustomed. The auto sector is nowhere near being able to make the jump to electric. The price of oil will indeed help push the industry that way, but the Liberals using auto industry aid as part of a campaign is indeed a dichotomy if they are also pushing environmental improvements. Adding in the scientific sounding Lithium polymer battery to your comment is not enough to sway me in light of it having reduced cycle durability and only marginal power improvements while not working as well at lower temperatures as required by vehicles. The sun still sets, the wind often neglects to blow. These solutions will continue to be small augmentations to real power solutions. John M Reynolds The small improvements are nowhere near good enough. The Prius only goes short distances (40 miles) before needed the gas/diesel engine. The batteries are still not able to handle the driving distances plus the accessories, like the radio, to which we have become accustomed. The auto sector is nowhere near being able to make the jump to electric. The price of oil will indeed help push the industry that way, but the Liberals using auto industry aid as part of a campaign is indeed a dichotomy if they are also pushing environmental improvements.

Adding in the scientific sounding Lithium polymer battery to your comment is not enough to sway me in light of it having reduced cycle durability and only marginal power improvements while not working as well at lower temperatures as required by vehicles.

The sun still sets, the wind often neglects to blow. These solutions will continue to be small augmentations to real power solutions.

John M Reynolds

]]> By: Abattoir http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180059 Abattoir Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:05:26 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180059 John, Solar, wind, and battery technology have all significantly improved in the last few decades - I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. The cost of solar panels is dropping exponentially, while efficiency is rising. Wind farms are being deployed around the world. We've gone through several generations of batteries, with Li-ion or Li-polymer now being used to power everything from MP3 players to cars. With oil over $110/barrel, these alternatives look more affordable all the time. New industries, technologies, and businesses are springing up all around the world. There is good money to be made, but only if you reject the status quo. John,
Solar, wind, and battery technology have all significantly improved in the last few decades - I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from. The cost of solar panels is dropping exponentially, while efficiency is rising. Wind farms are being deployed around the world. We’ve gone through several generations of batteries, with Li-ion or Li-polymer now being used to power everything from MP3 players to cars.

With oil over $110/barrel, these alternatives look more affordable all the time. New industries, technologies, and businesses are springing up all around the world. There is good money to be made, but only if you reject the status quo.

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180041 Charles Anthony Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:49:41 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180041 The environment has nothing to do with this Liberal "insider report" any more than entering Afghanistan had anything to do with Liberal governance. - --- - This Liberal "insider report" presented by Don Martin is: 1) nothing but a wet <b>s</b>ource-of-met<b>h</b>ane-<b>i</b>n-a-cow-pas<b>t</b>ure before an election has even been called 2) completely unoriginal coming from Liberals Anybody who has stepped foot on Canadian soil in the past 25 years is probably able to recognize these vacuous re-hashed Liberal campaign ideas. 3) a good clue that we are probably going to have an election this year! Fun! Fun! Fun! I can not wait to get my Bloc lawn sign! The environment has nothing to do with this Liberal “insider report” any more than entering Afghanistan had anything to do with Liberal governance.

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This Liberal “insider report” presented by Don Martin is:

1) nothing but a wet source-of-methane-in-a-cow-pasture before an election has even been called

2) completely unoriginal coming from Liberals
Anybody who has stepped foot on Canadian soil in the past 25 years is probably able to recognize these vacuous re-hashed Liberal campaign ideas.

3) a good clue that we are probably going to have an election this year! Fun! Fun! Fun!
I can not wait to get my Bloc lawn sign!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180033 Matthew Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:13:27 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180033 Abattoir, if we could have our cake and eat it too (eg. a "green economy" like the one envisioned by Jack Layton where car companies make green cars via green processes) don't you think the struggling American companies would've done it already? After all, with all the hype these days, a auto maker could really make a handy buck by advertising itself as a carbon-neutral car manufacturer. The fact that this has not occurred in ANY company in the auto sector lends heavy evidence to the argument that it is not financially viable to do so and therefore it would hurt our local manufacturers if the government were to impose such measures on said companies. Doesn't sound like much of a false anything to me! (note: Marko has my full agreement though that C02 isn't a pollutant) Abattoir, if we could have our cake and eat it too (eg. a “green economy” like the one envisioned by Jack Layton where car companies make green cars via green processes) don’t you think the struggling American companies would’ve done it already? After all, with all the hype these days, a auto maker could really make a handy buck by advertising itself as a carbon-neutral car manufacturer.

The fact that this has not occurred in ANY company in the auto sector lends heavy evidence to the argument that it is not financially viable to do so and therefore it would hurt our local manufacturers if the government were to impose such measures on said companies. Doesn’t sound like much of a false anything to me!

(note: Marko has my full agreement though that C02 isn’t a pollutant)

]]> By: jmrSudbury http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180030 jmrSudbury Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:27 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180030 We have been using solar power for decades and it is still terribly inefficient. We have been using wind power for generations, but there have been no significant advances there either. The sun goes down each day. The wind blows intermitently. Ethanol is worse than petroleum. Hydrogen cells are not widely available, more than 10 times more expensive, and have reliability troubles. How are we going to suddenly come up with new technological advances when people have been trying for years to no avail? Many billions of dollars have been spent already. You can say, "[i]f one tries to use any imagination at all, we can see there are ways out of this ‘paradox,’" but there is no evidence of a solution yet. Our batteries are poor even with the improved nickel foam that was being developed in the 1990s. It has been over ten years and our batteries still suck. When a better energy source comes along, then we should switch. We need to be real about this. Saying that we just aren't being imaginative enough will not cut it. We need solutions. Until then, it is not a false dichotomy. Yours is simpy false hope. John M Reynolds We have been using solar power for decades and it is still terribly inefficient. We have been using wind power for generations, but there have been no significant advances there either. The sun goes down each day. The wind blows intermitently. Ethanol is worse than petroleum. Hydrogen cells are not widely available, more than 10 times more expensive, and have reliability troubles.

How are we going to suddenly come up with new technological advances when people have been trying for years to no avail? Many billions of dollars have been spent already. You can say, “[i]f one tries to use any imagination at all, we can see there are ways out of this ‘paradox,’” but there is no evidence of a solution yet. Our batteries are poor even with the improved nickel foam that was being developed in the 1990s. It has been over ten years and our batteries still suck.

When a better energy source comes along, then we should switch. We need to be real about this. Saying that we just aren’t being imaginative enough will not cut it. We need solutions. Until then, it is not a false dichotomy. Yours is simpy false hope.

John M Reynolds

]]> By: Abattoir http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180029 Abattoir Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:40:46 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180029 Marko, even plant food can be pollution. I'm afraid your rather simplistic view of the relationship between CO2 and global temperature misses the point. The environmental movement has killed more people than Communism? I'd love to see you try to back that one up. Marko, even plant food can be pollution. I’m afraid your rather simplistic view of the relationship between CO2 and global temperature misses the point.

The environmental movement has killed more people than Communism? I’d love to see you try to back that one up.

]]> By: Marko http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180027 Marko Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:47:17 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180027 Abattoir, the biggest falsehood is the fact that the new environmentalists are concerned about the environment. CO2 is not pollution, it is plant food. CO2 can not be a climate change driver since CO2 increased last year and temperatures dropped. The new Greens are simply the latest incarnation of jackbooted thugs. How much anti-business rhetoric do you need to read before you see the marxist mindset behind the movement? The environmental movement has already killed more people than communism - and they are just getting started. Abattoir, the biggest falsehood is the fact that the new environmentalists are concerned about the environment. CO2 is not pollution, it is plant food. CO2 can not be a climate change driver since CO2 increased last year and temperatures dropped. The new Greens are simply the latest incarnation of jackbooted thugs. How much anti-business rhetoric do you need to read before you see the marxist mindset behind the movement? The environmental movement has already killed more people than communism - and they are just getting started.

]]> By: Scott from Winnipeg http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180025 Scott from Winnipeg Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:42:34 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180025 Whoops! Look who has slipped above his weight class again... Couldn't you just write a review of Stargate Atlantis or something? Whoops! Look who has slipped above his weight class again…

Couldn’t you just write a review of Stargate Atlantis or something?

]]> By: Abattoir http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180024 Abattoir Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:28:26 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180024 You present a false dichotomy, Matthew. It's a strategy frequently employed by those opposing any kind of environmentally-friendly actions. Either you can have a successful economy (e.g. strong auto sector, oil sands) OR you can help the environment (less GHG). This is simply untrue. If one tries to use any imagination at all, we can see there are ways out of this 'paradox'. It is possible to have both, but it requires some work to change the status quo. You present a false dichotomy, Matthew. It’s a strategy frequently employed by those opposing any kind of environmentally-friendly actions. Either you can have a successful economy (e.g. strong auto sector, oil sands) OR you can help the environment (less GHG). This is simply untrue.

If one tries to use any imagination at all, we can see there are ways out of this ‘paradox’. It is possible to have both, but it requires some work to change the status quo.

]]> By: Brian http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180021 Brian Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:46 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/12/the-liberal-platforms-cement-ship/#comment-180021 Well what is different from past Liberal campaign promises , in which the Liberals (Chretien :Federal , McGuinty (Provincial) , promised what the dumb voters wanted to hear and once they in power with a majority did/do whatever they want , or in the case of McGuinty .. do nothing! It really is a sad reflection of the mentality of Canadian voters when the Liberals are able to bring forth such garbage and the voters keep voting for them. I think Harper is making a huge mistake attempting to pander to the environmentalists and the GTA (Toronto) voters , because I believe the Liberals could inject Attila the Hun as their leader and these folks would continue to vote Liberal ! Well what is different from past Liberal campaign promises , in which the Liberals (Chretien :Federal , McGuinty (Provincial) , promised what the dumb voters wanted to hear and once they in power with a majority did/do whatever they want , or in the case of McGuinty .. do nothing!

It really is a sad reflection of the mentality of Canadian voters when the Liberals are able to bring forth such garbage and the voters keep voting for them.

I think Harper is making a huge mistake attempting to pander to the environmentalists and the GTA (Toronto) voters , because I believe the Liberals could inject Attila the Hun as their leader and these folks would continue to vote Liberal !

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