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		<title>By: Scott from Winnipeg</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179558</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott from Winnipeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, Your malnourished (ha!) articles leave little room for anything else but a little fun-poking.

Greens or lefties (or is it greens and lefties), or lefties who are hippies? I can’t keep it straight…. anyway, THEY’RE behind bio-fuel?  

Splendid! Somebody needs to tell the Earth Policy Institute.  And here some of us thought it was the huge industrialized agriculture lobby.  http://www.informaecon.com/

I gather you read the article you linked to, right?

“The commonly held belief that farmers switching to corn from wheat for bio-fuel production is not a factor in the shortage, Fitzhenry said. Wheat yields are down among the world's five top producing nations, which have been hit hard by recent drought or bad weather, she said.”

Actually, given the precedent you’ve set here, that’s probably not a good assumption to make.

I won’t even ask how your thoughts here square with your position on the wheat board. I’m not sure my sides could take it.

You’ve either got more moxie or more density that anyone I’ve ever met to come back with something like this after your last two epic blunders.  Kudos to you if it’s the former; my condolences if it’s the later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, Your malnourished (ha!) articles leave little room for anything else but a little fun-poking.</p>
<p>Greens or lefties (or is it greens and lefties), or lefties who are hippies? I can’t keep it straight…. anyway, THEY’RE behind bio-fuel?  </p>
<p>Splendid! Somebody needs to tell the Earth Policy Institute.  And here some of us thought it was the huge industrialized agriculture lobby.  <a href="http://www.informaecon.com/" >http://www.informaecon.com/</a></p>
<p>I gather you read the article you linked to, right?</p>
<p>“The commonly held belief that farmers switching to corn from wheat for bio-fuel production is not a factor in the shortage, Fitzhenry said. Wheat yields are down among the world&#8217;s five top producing nations, which have been hit hard by recent drought or bad weather, she said.”</p>
<p>Actually, given the precedent you’ve set here, that’s probably not a good assumption to make.</p>
<p>I won’t even ask how your thoughts here square with your position on the wheat board. I’m not sure my sides could take it.</p>
<p>You’ve either got more moxie or more density that anyone I’ve ever met to come back with something like this after your last two epic blunders.  Kudos to you if it’s the former; my condolences if it’s the later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant "eat" rather than "each" above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8220;eat&#8221; rather than &#8220;each&#8221; above.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179543</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, let's not forget that crops like switchgrass show great promise in being a truly viable source of ethanol for fuel. Not many folks each switchgrass either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchgrass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, let&#8217;s not forget that crops like switchgrass show great promise in being a truly viable source of ethanol for fuel. Not many folks each switchgrass either.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchgrass" >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchgrass</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179542</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Demonstrating that they really don’t understand economic forces, the greenies of the world praised ethanol as a cheap and renewable source of energy."

You've got that right. George W. Bush is a big supporter of ethanol as well, which strengthens your point here; or does it?

Quoting Mr Bush - "Like biodiesel, ethanol helps communities to meet clean air standards, farmers to find new markets for their products, and America to replace foreign crude oil with a renewable source grown right here in the nation's heartland. (Applause.) Together, ethanol and biodiesel present a tremendous opportunity to diversify our supply of fuel for cars and buses and trucks and heavy-duty vehicles."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050516.html

"In the meantime, we really need to ask ourselves if forcing a child to do without an extra meal is worth the dubious effort to remove carbon from our atmosphere."

Which children are you discussing here and how do you see a meal being taken away from them? You are going to have to do better than a simple supply and demand argument to support this hypothesis in my opinion. As a percentage of an average household's expenditures, food accounts for a small portion of those costs (in fact, it is an historical low). Unless you see food pricing vastly outpacing inflation, there does not seem to be a threat that meals will be taken off of tables (at least in first world countries). Third world countries are more of a concern, but their food supply and security problems are vastly more complex and will not likely be made noticebly worse by the ermergence of Ethanol as a fuel source. Sure, adjustments will happen (i.e. the price of corn in Mexico), but as you said yourself, the market will stabilize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Demonstrating that they really don’t understand economic forces, the greenies of the world praised ethanol as a cheap and renewable source of energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got that right. George W. Bush is a big supporter of ethanol as well, which strengthens your point here; or does it?</p>
<p>Quoting Mr Bush - &#8220;Like biodiesel, ethanol helps communities to meet clean air standards, farmers to find new markets for their products, and America to replace foreign crude oil with a renewable source grown right here in the nation&#8217;s heartland. (Applause.) Together, ethanol and biodiesel present a tremendous opportunity to diversify our supply of fuel for cars and buses and trucks and heavy-duty vehicles.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050516.html" >http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....50516.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In the meantime, we really need to ask ourselves if forcing a child to do without an extra meal is worth the dubious effort to remove carbon from our atmosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which children are you discussing here and how do you see a meal being taken away from them? You are going to have to do better than a simple supply and demand argument to support this hypothesis in my opinion. As a percentage of an average household&#8217;s expenditures, food accounts for a small portion of those costs (in fact, it is an historical low). Unless you see food pricing vastly outpacing inflation, there does not seem to be a threat that meals will be taken off of tables (at least in first world countries). Third world countries are more of a concern, but their food supply and security problems are vastly more complex and will not likely be made noticebly worse by the ermergence of Ethanol as a fuel source. Sure, adjustments will happen (i.e. the price of corn in Mexico), but as you said yourself, the market will stabilize.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179540</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, are you suggesting that if Shell, Petro Canada and other companies start competing with Dempster's and Little Caesar's for a farmer's crop of wheat, that said farmer isn't going to charge a higher price?  I explained that this isn't just about the ethanol fuel craze quite clearly, however that force is certainly going to put an unnecessary crunch on our food supply.  Maybe instead of smugly ridiculing every opinion you Lefties don't agree with, one of you might experiment with offering a refute or evidence to the contrary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, are you suggesting that if Shell, Petro Canada and other companies start competing with Dempster&#8217;s and Little Caesar&#8217;s for a farmer&#8217;s crop of wheat, that said farmer isn&#8217;t going to charge a higher price?  I explained that this isn&#8217;t just about the ethanol fuel craze quite clearly, however that force is certainly going to put an unnecessary crunch on our food supply.  Maybe instead of smugly ridiculing every opinion you Lefties don&#8217;t agree with, one of you might experiment with offering a refute or evidence to the contrary&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott from Winnipeg</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/03/04/breadlosers/#comment-179538</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott from Winnipeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the hippies using milk as an alternative fuel source as well?

http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/26/is-milk-the-new-oil-commodity-prices-set-new-highs/

More of teh crazies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the hippies using milk as an alternative fuel source as well?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/26/is-milk-the-new-oil-commodity-prices-set-new-highs/" >http://www.thepolitic.com/arch.....new-highs/</a></p>
<p>More of teh crazies.</p>
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