Comments on: John Tory: Lessons…er, Not So Learned! http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/ Conservative group weblog that publishes daily commentary on political events and topics affecting Canada, the United States and the world. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:28:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178460 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:16:55 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178460 Enough beating around the bush. I just took a candid shot at the truth. I picked up the telephone and called John Ratchford, whose name is at the bottom of that Reality Check press release. I did not record the conversation and I did not take notes while we were talking. I asked him point blank whether John Tory authorized that press release on the Together With Tory website. He said that he can not be certain that John Tory is aware of everything that goes on that website. Therefore, I guess we can say that John Tory does not have absolute control over his campaign. John Ratchford sounded sincere and did not seem like he wanted to deceive nor hide anything. He made it very clear that he posted his telephone number so that people may call him. I trust him to have genuinely wanted to support John Tory's leadership. ---- I want to say one thing about that same Reality Check press release: I see no reason to believe John Ratchford is mistaken. Just because Nick Kouvalis says: “This is really a battle between the grassroots and the party establishment.” that does not make it true. Enough beating around the bush. I just took a candid shot at the truth. I picked up the telephone and called John Ratchford, whose name is at the bottom of that Reality Check press release. I did not record the conversation and I did not take notes while we were talking. I asked him point blank whether John Tory authorized that press release on the Together With Tory website.

He said that he can not be certain that John Tory is aware of everything that goes on that website. Therefore, I guess we can say that John Tory does not have absolute control over his campaign.

John Ratchford sounded sincere and did not seem like he wanted to deceive nor hide anything. He made it very clear that he posted his telephone number so that people may call him. I trust him to have genuinely wanted to support John Tory’s leadership.

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I want to say one thing about that same Reality Check press release: I see no reason to believe John Ratchford is mistaken. Just because Nick Kouvalis says: “This is really a battle between the grassroots and the party establishment.” that does not make it true.

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178459 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:54:31 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178459 Alright, alright, alright. I found the blimey link: <a href="http://togetherwithtory.ca/news/show_news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1200594091">January 17th, 2008</a> There. I have proof that John Tory does not know what is going on in his campaign. I am convinced. Now, on to all of the Conservative supporters in Ontario. Why make such a big deal out in the open? Why not just vote him out? Alright, alright, alright. I found the blimey link: January 17th, 2008
There. I have proof that John Tory does not know what is going on in his campaign. I am convinced.

Now, on to all of the Conservative supporters in Ontario.
Why make such a big deal out in the open? Why not just vote him out?

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178457 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:27:19 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178457 <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.togetherwithtory.ca">InternetArchive.org search "www.togetherwithtory.ca"</a> What was that?? InternetArchive.org search “www.togetherwithtory.ca”

What was that??

]]> By: Paul Synnott http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178456 Paul Synnott Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:24:57 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178456 You can find the "Reality Check" on the Together with Tory Media page - dated January 17. It's at the very bottom of the page. http://www.togetherwithtory.ca/media.htm You can find the “Reality Check” on the Together with Tory Media page - dated January 17. It’s at the very bottom of the page.

http://www.togetherwithtory.ca/media.htm

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178454 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:03:24 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178454 I found all of that stuff through internet searches too but none of that is proof. Do not get me wrong. I believe John Tory is a buffoon but I see no reason to trust the anti-John-Tory crowd. This could very well be mischievous sabotage. All of this in-fighting is highly reminiscent of Liberal infighting, by the way. I challenge Conservative supporters to make an effort to look at themselves from outside of their narrow box. I found all of that stuff through internet searches too but none of that is proof.
Do not get me wrong. I believe John Tory is a buffoon but I see no reason to trust the anti-John-Tory crowd. This could very well be mischievous sabotage.

All of this in-fighting is highly reminiscent of Liberal infighting, by the way.
I challenge Conservative supporters to make an effort to look at themselves from outside of their narrow box.

]]> By: Ken http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178453 Ken Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:18:10 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178453 Here's a blog post with a copy of the release that was put out by the Tory side: http://victory2011.blogspot.com/2008/02/did-i-put-that-out-john-tory-knifes.html Here’s a blog post with a copy of the release that was put out by the Tory side:

http://victory2011.blogspot.co.....nifes.html

]]> By: Matthew http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178452 Matthew Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:17:47 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178452 Charles Anthony, I found it under a Google serach: http://www.draftaleader.com/opposition-watch.html The Together With Tory crowd probably took it down from their site when this was brought up on TVO -- if you still don't believe though, I actually encourage you to help John Tory and his people SUE Draft A Leader and TVO and Steve Paikin. If you still don't believe and don't want to put such energies into this though, just check out the Internet Archives site (the date, title and website have all been provided to you within that link/earlier comments). Charles Anthony, I found it under a Google serach:

http://www.draftaleader.com/opposition-watch.html

The Together With Tory crowd probably took it down from their site when this was brought up on TVO — if you still don’t believe though, I actually encourage you to help John Tory and his people SUE Draft A Leader and TVO and Steve Paikin. If you still don’t believe and don’t want to put such energies into this though, just check out the Internet Archives site (the date, title and website have all been provided to you within that link/earlier comments).

]]> By: Ken http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178451 Ken Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:05:46 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178451 Actually I cannot find it on the website anymore, but it was there under the title of "Reality Check" in the Latest News section of the page on the top right. I can't find any of the past items from that category. Not sure if they meant to do it that way, or if it is poor site design. Actually I cannot find it on the website anymore, but it was there under the title of “Reality Check” in the Latest News section of the page on the top right. I can’t find any of the past items from that category. Not sure if they meant to do it that way, or if it is poor site design.

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178450 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:57:48 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178450 Forgive me but I just can not find those statements on his website. Please provide a link. Forgive me but I just can not find those statements on his website. Please provide a link.

]]> By: Ken http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178448 Ken Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:48:12 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178448 Charles Anthony, it isn't that anyone can prove Tory made those remarks (no one is claiming that they can), but it is either him that made the remarks or somone on his "no" campaign team. It is on the Together With Tory website. The issue is that he doesn't know what is going on with this campaign. Matthew poses an interesting question about what if this type of stuff happened during an election. Charles Anthony, it isn’t that anyone can prove Tory made those remarks (no one is claiming that they can), but it is either him that made the remarks or somone on his “no” campaign team. It is on the Together With Tory website. The issue is that he doesn’t know what is going on with this campaign. Matthew poses an interesting question about what if this type of stuff happened during an election.

]]> By: Charles Anthony http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178446 Charles Anthony Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:11:24 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178446 I do not like that video and I do not trust the people who made it. In that video, inflammatory and divisive remarks are attributed to John Tory which he disputes having said. Either John Tory is lying or the anti-John-Tory crowd is lying. <b>Why should I believe either one???????</b> The onus is on the anti-John-Tory crowd to prove that John Tory made those remarks. I challenge them to prove it with more than a cheap amateur photoplay. --- Strategically, I believe the anti-John-Tory crowd is doing their political cause more harm than good. I do not like that video and I do not trust the people who made it.

In that video, inflammatory and divisive remarks are attributed to John Tory which he disputes having said. Either John Tory is lying or the anti-John-Tory crowd is lying. Why should I believe either one???????

The onus is on the anti-John-Tory crowd to prove that John Tory made those remarks. I challenge them to prove it with more than a cheap amateur photoplay.

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Strategically, I believe the anti-John-Tory crowd is doing their political cause more harm than good.

]]> By: Joanne (TB) http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178445 Joanne (TB) Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:37:03 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178445 I totally agree with your analysis. I watched the show, and that was the first thing that struck me. He still doesn't have control of his messengers and that's a big problem. Tory is toast!!! I totally agree with your analysis. I watched the show, and that was the first thing that struck me. He still doesn’t have control of his messengers and that’s a big problem.

Tory is toast!!!

]]> By: Mé http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178443 Mé Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:07:28 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/02/13/john-tory-lessonser-not-so-learned/#comment-178443 Come on. Give John Tory another chance. Like other leaders who have lost elections on their first try, he will improve. Just ask Ontario NDP leader, Howard Hampton. I think Hampton wants to lead his party for a fourth election. Tory deserves the same. Come on. Give John Tory another chance. Like other leaders who have lost elections on their first try, he will improve. Just ask Ontario NDP leader, Howard Hampton. I think Hampton wants to lead his party for a fourth election. Tory deserves the same.

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