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	<title>Comments on: Did We Really Expect Anything Different From the Multicult Experiment?</title>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; Racism in Toronto corrections &#8212; does it surprise you?</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; Racism in Toronto corrections &#8212; does it surprise you?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a time when some people are getting their knickers tied up in a knot over such trivialities as a new school in Toronto, I am not too happy when I read this: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dutch?  The Dutch?   Gimme&#039; a break.  Cut the political correctness.  If only it were the Dutch.  Pffffft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dutch?  The Dutch?   Gimme&#8217; a break.  Cut the political correctness.  If only it were the Dutch.  Pffffft.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poster above has a selective and self serving view of history... this has been done before and the results were disasterous. Look at Athens, Rome, and many other ancient capitals and see the parallel of immigration and decline of each great city state in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poster above has a selective and self serving view of history&#8230; this has been done before and the results were disasterous. Look at Athens, Rome, and many other ancient capitals and see the parallel of immigration and decline of each great city state in history.</p>
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		<title>By: dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dominant culture in any country and any era holds their own supremacy to be self evident, and views any immigration that dilutes it as intolerable. The terms Matthew uses to express his contempt for immigrant communities (&quot;...racism, ills, cultural norms and other attributes that most of us would personally find undesirable...&quot;) are identical to the tone and language used at various points to disparage Irish immigrants, Jewish immigrants, Ukranian immigrants, Italian immigrants...virtually any group. In fact, Matthew&#039;s final xenophobic warnings about Islam and Africa are charmingly reminiscent of the Yellow-Peril propaganda of the early twentieth century. 

The dominant population inevitably fears and resists change. The newcomers are inevitably perceived as threatening, clannish, isolated, and hostile (until, of course, a couple of generations pass, and the Irish/Jews/Italians, having both entered the mainstream culture and transformed it by their entry, become part of the dominant population). 

Twas ever thus, with any newcomer community. Editorialists of the day, for example, decried the Irish propensity for drinking and violence, Japanese &quot;secretiveness&quot;, Jewish propensity for dealing &quot;with their own kind&quot;. Italians and Irish, of course, were accused of transplanting old world enmities, with their legacy of violence, crime and torture. 

There was a small handful of people in each of those communities who bore out those stereotypes, and who were triumphantly brandished, as Matthew does above, to &quot;prove&quot; how dangerous these Italians/Irish/Ukranians/Jews were. The vast majority of those populations learned French or English, got educated, got jobs, and generation by generation entered the culture, while adding elements of their own culture to the mix. The first wave struggled, often living and working primarily in their own neighbourhoods and communities. Their kids adapted. Their grandkids adapted more.  The things about Canada that worked, that made sense, became part of their lives. 

That&#039;s the story of my family. And that will continue to be the story. Maybe you ought to have a little more faith in the strength and value of our country, Matthew, and a little less fear. 

And before you tout the relative &quot;success&quot; of the American model...you might want to do a bit of reading about the state of the &quot;melting pot&quot; these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dominant culture in any country and any era holds their own supremacy to be self evident, and views any immigration that dilutes it as intolerable. The terms Matthew uses to express his contempt for immigrant communities (&#8220;&#8230;racism, ills, cultural norms and other attributes that most of us would personally find undesirable&#8230;&#8221;) are identical to the tone and language used at various points to disparage Irish immigrants, Jewish immigrants, Ukranian immigrants, Italian immigrants&#8230;virtually any group. In fact, Matthew&#8217;s final xenophobic warnings about Islam and Africa are charmingly reminiscent of the Yellow-Peril propaganda of the early twentieth century. </p>
<p>The dominant population inevitably fears and resists change. The newcomers are inevitably perceived as threatening, clannish, isolated, and hostile (until, of course, a couple of generations pass, and the Irish/Jews/Italians, having both entered the mainstream culture and transformed it by their entry, become part of the dominant population). </p>
<p>Twas ever thus, with any newcomer community. Editorialists of the day, for example, decried the Irish propensity for drinking and violence, Japanese &#8220;secretiveness&#8221;, Jewish propensity for dealing &#8220;with their own kind&#8221;. Italians and Irish, of course, were accused of transplanting old world enmities, with their legacy of violence, crime and torture. </p>
<p>There was a small handful of people in each of those communities who bore out those stereotypes, and who were triumphantly brandished, as Matthew does above, to &#8220;prove&#8221; how dangerous these Italians/Irish/Ukranians/Jews were. The vast majority of those populations learned French or English, got educated, got jobs, and generation by generation entered the culture, while adding elements of their own culture to the mix. The first wave struggled, often living and working primarily in their own neighbourhoods and communities. Their kids adapted. Their grandkids adapted more.  The things about Canada that worked, that made sense, became part of their lives. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the story of my family. And that will continue to be the story. Maybe you ought to have a little more faith in the strength and value of our country, Matthew, and a little less fear. </p>
<p>And before you tout the relative &#8220;success&#8221; of the American model&#8230;you might want to do a bit of reading about the state of the &#8220;melting pot&#8221; these days.</p>
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