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	<title>Comments on: Apartheid Finally Comes to Canada</title>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; Segregation Returns to Little Rock - Victory for Progressives Everywhere</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-180555</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; Segregation Returns to Little Rock - Victory for Progressives Everywhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And it echoes all the way into Toronto of 2007. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; Racism in Toronto corrections &#8212; does it surprise you?</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-178011</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; Racism in Toronto corrections &#8212; does it surprise you?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a time when some people are getting their knickers tied up in a knot over such trivialities as a new school in Toronto, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; McGuinty on Canadian Apartheid</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177523</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; McGuinty on Canadian Apartheid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apartheid Comes to Canada [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177389</link>
		<dc:creator>dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than clashing on the grand battlefield of ideological principle, it might be interesting to consider this a bit more pragmatically.

Schools have several goals - primarily the transfer of skills and knowledge. There&#039;s a rather overwhelming body of evidence supporting the premise that learning happens most effectively within a cultural context familiar to the learner. It seems to me that the proponents of this school are trying to maximize learning by minimizing the degree to which issues of context create barriers to learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than clashing on the grand battlefield of ideological principle, it might be interesting to consider this a bit more pragmatically.</p>
<p>Schools have several goals &#8211; primarily the transfer of skills and knowledge. There&#8217;s a rather overwhelming body of evidence supporting the premise that learning happens most effectively within a cultural context familiar to the learner. It seems to me that the proponents of this school are trying to maximize learning by minimizing the degree to which issues of context create barriers to learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177367</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that is the reason of your objection, I suggest that you object the public funding of all schools.  Why do you care about the other details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that is the reason of your objection, I suggest that you object the public funding of all schools.  Why do you care about the other details?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177366</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That exception is the reason I have a problem with it.  The minute that state steps in and starts endorsing racial segregation (whether voluntary or not) is the minute we start down the same road South Africa took.

You and I are also in agreement - if it were privately funded there &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be nothing to discuss.  However, it is not.  

And again we are in agreement - racism does still exist, and the Toronto School board endorsing the creation of a race-based school has just given that bad weed of racism an official platform to grow and fester once more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That exception is the reason I have a problem with it.  The minute that state steps in and starts endorsing racial segregation (whether voluntary or not) is the minute we start down the same road South Africa took.</p>
<p>You and I are also in agreement &#8211; if it were privately funded there <i>would</i> be nothing to discuss.  However, it is not.  </p>
<p>And again we are in agreement &#8211; racism does still exist, and the Toronto School board endorsing the creation of a race-based school has just given that bad weed of racism an official platform to grow and fester once more.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177365</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://shiftlessmind.com/&quot;&gt;Shane&lt;/a&gt;,  
I think we most definitely ARE talking about voluntary association -- except for the fact that the school is getting tax dollars.  I can not understand how you can see it otherwise.  
As well, I genuinely see nothing wrong with ethnic or cultural or religious or &lt;i&gt;insert discriminatory feature here&lt;/i&gt; at all.  If this was a completely privately funded school, I would see nothing to discuss.  

I do not agree that racial discrimination has been conquered.  I believe it still exists.  


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Shit, what will the loony-Left think of next?!?!  Soon, I am sure those creepy weirdo-pinkos will be demanding all male schools in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://shiftlessmind.com/">Shane</a>,<br />
I think we most definitely ARE talking about voluntary association &#8212; except for the fact that the school is getting tax dollars.  I can not understand how you can see it otherwise.<br />
As well, I genuinely see nothing wrong with ethnic or cultural or religious or <i>insert discriminatory feature here</i> at all.  If this was a completely privately funded school, I would see nothing to discuss.  </p>
<p>I do not agree that racial discrimination has been conquered.  I believe it still exists.  </p>
<p>&#8212;  </p>
<p>Shit, what will the loony-Left think of next?!?!  Soon, I am sure those creepy weirdo-pinkos will be demanding all male schools in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; Did We Really Expect Anything Different From the Multicult Experiment?</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177363</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; Did We Really Expect Anything Different From the Multicult Experiment?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] colleague Shane has started the first post here on the black school that was approved by the Toronto District School Board this month, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shane Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177362</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, you have just noted the hypocrisy of Dalton McGuinty, that Mark has already pointed out.  Public schools dedicated to voluntary associations need to be either done away with or opened up to any group.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.

But what we&#039;re talking about is not voluntary association like a religion.  We are talking about RACE.  We are talking about discriminating based on SKIN COLOUR.  This is exactly what we have fought against and (for the most part) ended for the last 40 years.  Now it is returning, in the guise of &quot;care&quot; but really thinly veiling the underlying beliefs that some races are better than others.  Or in this case, some races have more &quot;problems&quot; than others, SOLELY BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN.  This is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, you have just noted the hypocrisy of Dalton McGuinty, that Mark has already pointed out.  Public schools dedicated to voluntary associations need to be either done away with or opened up to any group.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>But what we&#8217;re talking about is not voluntary association like a religion.  We are talking about RACE.  We are talking about discriminating based on SKIN COLOUR.  This is exactly what we have fought against and (for the most part) ended for the last 40 years.  Now it is returning, in the guise of &#8220;care&#8221; but really thinly veiling the underlying beliefs that some races are better than others.  Or in this case, some races have more &#8220;problems&#8221; than others, SOLELY BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN.  This is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177361</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apartheid in Canada?  Damn your eyes.  Canada is the model of tolerance and respect.  Trudeau let the black slaves come here throught the underground railroad.  600 000 Americans died in the Civil War for oil.  Lincoln was an ignorant hick from Tennessee.
Canada is the right formula.  Look at our reserves and Quebec language laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apartheid in Canada?  Damn your eyes.  Canada is the model of tolerance and respect.  Trudeau let the black slaves come here throught the underground railroad.  600 000 Americans died in the Civil War for oil.  Lincoln was an ignorant hick from Tennessee.<br />
Canada is the right formula.  Look at our reserves and Quebec language laws.</p>
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		<title>By: skuleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>skuleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will be interesting is to see if the board of ed forces students who don&#039;t want to go to these schools to go, just to maintain some degree of diversity, otherwise the schools will end up not just 100% black, but in all liklihood, 100% black under-achieving social misfits.
So if your kid is a hard working white/black/yellow/purple or whatever student and the board says she MUST attend this school - how do you respond? Fight city hall? Pay for a private school yourself?

Creates a great case for school vouchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will be interesting is to see if the board of ed forces students who don&#8217;t want to go to these schools to go, just to maintain some degree of diversity, otherwise the schools will end up not just 100% black, but in all liklihood, 100% black under-achieving social misfits.<br />
So if your kid is a hard working white/black/yellow/purple or whatever student and the board says she MUST attend this school &#8211; how do you respond? Fight city hall? Pay for a private school yourself?</p>
<p>Creates a great case for school vouchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177359</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a Muslim school? or a Jewish school? or a (God-forbid!) a Catholic school?  
What will they think of next?!?!  Soon we will see French schools!   Aaaaah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a Muslim school? or a Jewish school? or a (God-forbid!) a Catholic school?<br />
What will they think of next?!?!  Soon we will see French schools!   Aaaaah!</p>
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		<title>By: Abattoir</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177358</link>
		<dc:creator>Abattoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like the thin edge of the wedge.  Slippery slope, function creep, whatever you want to call it, I&#039;m afraid of it here.

It&#039;s not hard to imagine that after a few &quot;successful&quot; years, the school would expand the territory it covers, or be replicated in another part of the city.  Soon you have 2 schools covering more areas, similar to the duplication already existing with public &amp; separate school boards.

If your child lives in any area covered by 2 schools, and one is all black kids, and the other has relatively few black kids, where would you send your kid?  Probably to the one that matches your skin colour.

This &#039;soft&#039; form of apartheid could soon morph into true apartheid.  &quot;Your kid wants to go to the black/white school? Why? There&#039;s a white/black school just down the street.  Go there.&quot;

I&#039;m all for recognizing that concentrations of ethnic groups exist in various parts of the country.  Schools are free to reflect this reality in many ways, without resorting to setting up publicly-funded schools dedicated to them.  They can have festivals, dances, dinners, plays, student groups, language classes, etc.

How about a Chinese school? Caribbean? Southeast Asian?  How about we set up a &quot;white only&quot; school next?  Let&#039;s just see what the reaction to that one is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like the thin edge of the wedge.  Slippery slope, function creep, whatever you want to call it, I&#8217;m afraid of it here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to imagine that after a few &#8220;successful&#8221; years, the school would expand the territory it covers, or be replicated in another part of the city.  Soon you have 2 schools covering more areas, similar to the duplication already existing with public &amp; separate school boards.</p>
<p>If your child lives in any area covered by 2 schools, and one is all black kids, and the other has relatively few black kids, where would you send your kid?  Probably to the one that matches your skin colour.</p>
<p>This &#8216;soft&#8217; form of apartheid could soon morph into true apartheid.  &#8220;Your kid wants to go to the black/white school? Why? There&#8217;s a white/black school just down the street.  Go there.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for recognizing that concentrations of ethnic groups exist in various parts of the country.  Schools are free to reflect this reality in many ways, without resorting to setting up publicly-funded schools dedicated to them.  They can have festivals, dances, dinners, plays, student groups, language classes, etc.</p>
<p>How about a Chinese school? Caribbean? Southeast Asian?  How about we set up a &#8220;white only&#8221; school next?  Let&#8217;s just see what the reaction to that one is.</p>
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		<title>By: mark peters</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/30/apartheid-finally-comes-to-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-177354</link>
		<dc:creator>mark peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real salt in the wound here that John Tory was absolutely pilloried in the media and by Dalton McGuinty during the last Ontario provincial election for daring to suggest that the province might endorse and fund more religious schools.

The media should be HOUNDING Dalton McGuinty night and day on his complete reversal and his selective pandering to PC cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real salt in the wound here that John Tory was absolutely pilloried in the media and by Dalton McGuinty during the last Ontario provincial election for daring to suggest that the province might endorse and fund more religious schools.</p>
<p>The media should be HOUNDING Dalton McGuinty night and day on his complete reversal and his selective pandering to PC cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not sound to me like black students are being forced to go to this new black school.  Therefore, I do not think it is reasonable to call it apartheid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not sound to me like black students are being forced to go to this new black school.  Therefore, I do not think it is reasonable to call it apartheid.</p>
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