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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Expelled&#8221;: The Tyranny on Thought</title>
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		<title>By: onein6billion</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-211750</link>
		<dc:creator>onein6billion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;watch the movie, listen to the criticism and respond accordingly&quot;

Roger Ebert has now done this.  Of course his review trashed the movie.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/12/win_ben_steins_mind.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;watch the movie, listen to the criticism and respond accordingly&#8221;</p>
<p>Roger Ebert has now done this.  Of course his review trashed the movie.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2008/12/win_ben_steins_mind.html" >http://blogs.suntimes.com/eber....._mind.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: onein6billion</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-179493</link>
		<dc:creator>onein6billion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;separation of church and state clause&quot;

The judge at Dover seemed to understand it in 2005.
The Supreme Court seemed to understand it in 1987.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;separation of church and state clause&#8221;</p>
<p>The judge at Dover seemed to understand it in 2005.<br />
The Supreme Court seemed to understand it in 1987.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; Ben Stein asking for handouts</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-179245</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; Ben Stein asking for handouts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of getting lost in the clutter here or there, I have decided to create a separate post because I am presenting a slightly different [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of getting lost in the clutter here or there, I have decided to create a separate post because I am presenting a slightly different [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Darwin and Jane Austen &#171; Punk Professor</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-179240</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Darwin and Jane Austen &#171; Punk Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kook named Matthew read the title of Darwin&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic.com &#187; So Much For Neutral Scientific Interest</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-178604</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic.com &#187; So Much For Neutral Scientific Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A delightful little explosion in readership happened back under my watch in January with a post about the upcoming Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed documentary staring Ben Stein (I admit that I deserve no credit for it, the potty-mouthed Canadian Cynic demonstrated his talent to aid his opponents&#8217; cause more than his own). A flustered Prof. PZ Myers sent his little minions (if this were a movie, I picture a scene from the Wizard Of Oz, around the time that the flying monkeys make their appearance &#8212; that&#8217;s what the crowd thinks they basically are anyway!) over here to tell me, American IPs in hand how embarrassed they were to be Canadian they were (I wish those sentiments were true, honestly!), how I had to apologize to the above-mentioned offended professor for misunderstanding a 150 year-old title of a book (oops!; I guess you guys&#8217;ll now fess up that you might have misinterpreted that whole &#8220;separation of church and state&#8221; clause now&#8230;) and one particularly amusing demand that gave me till 5:30 one day to respond to the little monkeys or else I would have all credibility banished forever (and I was looking forward to seeing that Funny Farm application go through too!). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A delightful little explosion in readership happened back under my watch in January with a post about the upcoming Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed documentary staring Ben Stein (I admit that I deserve no credit for it, the potty-mouthed Canadian Cynic demonstrated his talent to aid his opponents&#8217; cause more than his own). A flustered Prof. PZ Myers sent his little minions (if this were a movie, I picture a scene from the Wizard Of Oz, around the time that the flying monkeys make their appearance &#8212; that&#8217;s what the crowd thinks they basically are anyway!) over here to tell me, American IPs in hand how embarrassed they were to be Canadian they were (I wish those sentiments were true, honestly!), how I had to apologize to the above-mentioned offended professor for misunderstanding a 150 year-old title of a book (oops!; I guess you guys&#8217;ll now fess up that you might have misinterpreted that whole &#8220;separation of church and state&#8221; clause now&#8230;) and one particularly amusing demand that gave me till 5:30 one day to respond to the little monkeys or else I would have all credibility banished forever (and I was looking forward to seeing that Funny Farm application go through too!). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: onein6billion</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176856</link>
		<dc:creator>onein6billion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They offer to &quot;bribe&quot; schools to bring their kids:

http://www.getexpelled.com/schools.php

But hurry to register - there&#039;s a limited amount of bribe money.  Last come - not served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They offer to &#8220;bribe&#8221; schools to bring their kids:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getexpelled.com/schools.php" >http://www.getexpelled.com/schools.php</a></p>
<p>But hurry to register &#8211; there&#8217;s a limited amount of bribe money.  Last come &#8211; not served.</p>
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		<title>By: onein6billion</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176828</link>
		<dc:creator>onein6billion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;dismiss ... this movie as blind faith&quot;

No, no, no.  It&#039;s a biased &quot;mockmentary&quot;.  It tries to tell one side of the story and ignore the other side completely.  So, in some sense, it&#039;s just half of the truth.  Unfortunately, the other side of the story makes all too much sense.  So, a professor that doesn&#039;t publish much, doesn&#039;t get grant money, and doesn&#039;t have graduate students doesn&#039;t get tenure.  Not much &quot;action&quot; based on that side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;dismiss &#8230; this movie as blind faith&#8221;</p>
<p>No, no, no.  It&#8217;s a biased &#8220;mockmentary&#8221;.  It tries to tell one side of the story and ignore the other side completely.  So, in some sense, it&#8217;s just half of the truth.  Unfortunately, the other side of the story makes all too much sense.  So, a professor that doesn&#8217;t publish much, doesn&#8217;t get grant money, and doesn&#8217;t have graduate students doesn&#8217;t get tenure.  Not much &#8220;action&#8221; based on that side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Ichthyic</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176765</link>
		<dc:creator>Ichthyic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, since you don&#039;t own a copy, you can read Origin, and any of Darwin&#039;s other works, right here for free:

http://darwin-online.org.uk/

no excuses now, eh?

you can even go right to the text online to figure out the answers to any questions.

what have you got to lose, other than your blatant dishonesty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, since you don&#8217;t own a copy, you can read Origin, and any of Darwin&#8217;s other works, right here for free:</p>
<p><a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/" >http://darwin-online.org.uk/</a></p>
<p>no excuses now, eh?</p>
<p>you can even go right to the text online to figure out the answers to any questions.</p>
<p>what have you got to lose, other than your blatant dishonesty?</p>
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		<title>By: Ichthyic</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ichthyic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;obviously youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re so brilliant that you fail to realize that your groupthink crowd can get all their Biblical quotes from Google, and I could get any answers to your inquisition questions from places like wikipedia&lt;/i&gt;

wanna bet?

hey, you say you&#039;ve read it so you should be able to answer basic questions from it, right?

I know for a fact I can easily ask questions based on Origin that you would only be able to answer if you read it.  At this point, you haven&#039;t even made it past the title yet, and you even get that wrong!

what are you afraid of?  surely since you think it is such doggerel, you can easily dismiss any questions arising from the material.

right?

wouldn&#039;t it be a better argument for your &quot;position&quot; to be able to directly refute the arguments Darwin himself made in Origin?

LOL

you&#039;re so transparent you should hang a frame on your head and sell yourself as a window.

btw, even in Canada, slander requires a lot more than me calling you a liar, especially since it&#039;s so obviously accurate.

but hey, if you wanna play that game, have fun.  I doubt you have the cash to buy a lawyer that wouldn&#039;t laugh at you.

man, you are just too funny.  seriously, you would really benefit from learning how to deal with denial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>obviously youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re so brilliant that you fail to realize that your groupthink crowd can get all their Biblical quotes from Google, and I could get any answers to your inquisition questions from places like wikipedia</i></p>
<p>wanna bet?</p>
<p>hey, you say you&#8217;ve read it so you should be able to answer basic questions from it, right?</p>
<p>I know for a fact I can easily ask questions based on Origin that you would only be able to answer if you read it.  At this point, you haven&#8217;t even made it past the title yet, and you even get that wrong!</p>
<p>what are you afraid of?  surely since you think it is such doggerel, you can easily dismiss any questions arising from the material.</p>
<p>right?</p>
<p>wouldn&#8217;t it be a better argument for your &#8220;position&#8221; to be able to directly refute the arguments Darwin himself made in Origin?</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>you&#8217;re so transparent you should hang a frame on your head and sell yourself as a window.</p>
<p>btw, even in Canada, slander requires a lot more than me calling you a liar, especially since it&#8217;s so obviously accurate.</p>
<p>but hey, if you wanna play that game, have fun.  I doubt you have the cash to buy a lawyer that wouldn&#8217;t laugh at you.</p>
<p>man, you are just too funny.  seriously, you would really benefit from learning how to deal with denial.</p>
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		<title>By: Smarter than Ezra</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176762</link>
		<dc:creator>Smarter than Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Unruh</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176760</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Unruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone please ask Professor Myers to stop delivering his garbage to our site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone please ask Professor Myers to stop delivering his garbage to our site?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176758</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ichthyic, just so you know, you are now being ignored due to your ridiculous trolling -- obviously you&#039;re so brilliant that you fail to realize that your groupthink crowd can get all their Biblical quotes from Google, and I could get any answers to your inquisition questions from places like wikipedia.  A word of advice to end my dialogue with you: be careful of accusing people of being liars in public -- I&#039;m no lawyer but I understand such threats have been used against people in court!  Have a nice life...or at least try to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ichthyic, just so you know, you are now being ignored due to your ridiculous trolling &#8212; obviously you&#8217;re so brilliant that you fail to realize that your groupthink crowd can get all their Biblical quotes from Google, and I could get any answers to your inquisition questions from places like wikipedia.  A word of advice to end my dialogue with you: be careful of accusing people of being liars in public &#8212; I&#8217;m no lawyer but I understand such threats have been used against people in court!  Have a nice life&#8230;or at least try to!</p>
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		<title>By: Ichthyic</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176756</link>
		<dc:creator>Ichthyic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Richard, who is to say that I havenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t?&lt;/i&gt;

shall we quiz you on the contents, or do you want to admit to being a liar now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Richard, who is to say that I havenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t?</i></p>
<p>shall we quiz you on the contents, or do you want to admit to being a liar now?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176755</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, who is to say that I haven&#039;t?  I&#039;ve been amazed at how my being a creationist is automatically being interpreted as me never reading anything about evolution; without going into a lengthy explanation, let me just say that I like to keep up to date on what the other side is arguing (see Sunday&#039;s post for an example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, who is to say that I haven&#8217;t?  I&#8217;ve been amazed at how my being a creationist is automatically being interpreted as me never reading anything about evolution; without going into a lengthy explanation, let me just say that I like to keep up to date on what the other side is arguing (see Sunday&#8217;s post for an example).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176752</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

I&#039;ve read &quot;On the Origin of Species&quot; and it&#039;s an absolutely remarkable book. Any person who wants to be considered scientifically or historically literate should read it in its entirety. Darwin managed to consider every possible objection to his evidence and he addresses all of the them. Yet, the creationists still bring up the same old, tired, complaints. For the creationists its as if we still live in 1858. Do read the book, and read some of the evidence that has been gathered in the 149 years since its publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read &#8220;On the Origin of Species&#8221; and it&#8217;s an absolutely remarkable book. Any person who wants to be considered scientifically or historically literate should read it in its entirety. Darwin managed to consider every possible objection to his evidence and he addresses all of the them. Yet, the creationists still bring up the same old, tired, complaints. For the creationists its as if we still live in 1858. Do read the book, and read some of the evidence that has been gathered in the 149 years since its publication.</p>
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		<title>By: gingerbeard</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176702</link>
		<dc:creator>gingerbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mathew,

Along with some deserved acidic barbs against your lack or reading. A few very good points have been made. Specifically that race is referring to subspecies, which in truth is what the different races of man are, just variations, we call all interbreed so we are the same species. And the second point: Darwin does not state nor imply racial holocaust, social Darwinism or any of the other tripe that people try to paint evolutionary theory with.

Now that you have a fair explanation of what the title means, are you ready to learn from this and comment on your previous misconceptions?

YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve asked for an explanation, how about rewarding us all by letting us see your world view expand though learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mathew,</p>
<p>Along with some deserved acidic barbs against your lack or reading. A few very good points have been made. Specifically that race is referring to subspecies, which in truth is what the different races of man are, just variations, we call all interbreed so we are the same species. And the second point: Darwin does not state nor imply racial holocaust, social Darwinism or any of the other tripe that people try to paint evolutionary theory with.</p>
<p>Now that you have a fair explanation of what the title means, are you ready to learn from this and comment on your previous misconceptions?</p>
<p>YouÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve asked for an explanation, how about rewarding us all by letting us see your world view expand though learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Byxor</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176691</link>
		<dc:creator>Byxor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought retards like this only existed in the Southern United States, I&#039;m very sorry for Canada...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought retards like this only existed in the Southern United States, I&#8217;m very sorry for Canada&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Red Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176661</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised you managed to get past the spam protection question, Mahmood. Congratulations! What a clever monkey. Nice name too! Maybe I&#039;ll just call you Mr. Dinnerjacket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you managed to get past the spam protection question, Mahmood. Congratulations! What a clever monkey. Nice name too! Maybe I&#8217;ll just call you Mr. Dinnerjacket.</p>
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		<title>By: mahmood</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176657</link>
		<dc:creator>mahmood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I&#039;ve also been known to be wrong-headead and misspell wurds...36 wurds Ol&#039;Red...slipping?

lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I&#8217;ve also been known to be wrong-headead and misspell wurds&#8230;36 wurds Ol&#8217;Red&#8230;slipping?</p>
<p>lol!</p>
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		<title>By: KEvron</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176646</link>
		<dc:creator>KEvron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The designer is godlike, not God, too, and itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s bizarre that anyone would ever suppose that ID is about God, when itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s only about a godlike being or beings.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/10/10262_the_number_creationists.php#comment-616749&quot;&gt;argue in bad faith much, glen?&lt;/a&gt;

KEvron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The designer is godlike, not God, too, and itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s bizarre that anyone would ever suppose that ID is about God, when itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s only about a godlike being or beings.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/10/10262_the_number_creationists.php#comment-616749">argue in bad faith much, glen?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Red Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176637</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from everything else that&#039;s tragically wrong-headead about this post, I also note that the author somehow even managed to misspell &quot;Ferris Bueller&quot; actually getting both the first and last names wrong. Two for two! Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from everything else that&#8217;s tragically wrong-headead about this post, I also note that the author somehow even managed to misspell &#8220;Ferris Bueller&#8221; actually getting both the first and last names wrong. Two for two! Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownian</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176613</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

Wow. I misspelled &#039;their&#039;. I&#039;d blame it on my being so incensed, but....

I&#039;ll eat my hat now.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I misspelled &#8216;their&#8217;. I&#8217;d blame it on my being so incensed, but&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll eat my hat now.</p>
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		<title>By: Brownian</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176611</link>
		<dc:creator>Brownian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, so much for the idea that we Canadians are so much smarter than the Yanks.

Since you&#039;re obviously a supporter of the Conservatives, perhaps you might think on there education policies as you&#039;re a prime candidate for some remedial literacy tutoring.

Love Ben Stein? Good luck with your green card application. We won&#039;t be missing you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, so much for the idea that we Canadians are so much smarter than the Yanks.</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re obviously a supporter of the Conservatives, perhaps you might think on there education policies as you&#8217;re a prime candidate for some remedial literacy tutoring.</p>
<p>Love Ben Stein? Good luck with your green card application. We won&#8217;t be missing you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rugosa</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-2/#comment-176608</link>
		<dc:creator>Rugosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - It&#039;s also a tenet of evolutionary biology that mate selection is largely (though not always) up to the females.  So, yes, lots of us prefer the sensitive, quiet guy to the egotistical blowhard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; It&#8217;s also a tenet of evolutionary biology that mate selection is largely (though not always) up to the females.  So, yes, lots of us prefer the sensitive, quiet guy to the egotistical blowhard.</p>
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		<title>By: truth machine</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176606</link>
		<dc:creator>truth machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;until I get a direct answer to that, I will not respond to any of your inquiries&quot;

Since you&#039;re clearly a dishonest cowardly idiot, why should anyone care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;until I get a direct answer to that, I will not respond to any of your inquiries&#8221;</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re clearly a dishonest cowardly idiot, why should anyone care?</p>
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		<title>By: mahmood</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176603</link>
		<dc:creator>mahmood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if Ol&#039;Red is on the scene something has gone horribly wrong, in 500 words or less please...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if Ol&#8217;Red is on the scene something has gone horribly wrong, in 500 words or less please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Red Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176601</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catastrophically ignorant... and proud of it! 

Man, you guys are pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catastrophically ignorant&#8230; and proud of it! </p>
<p>Man, you guys are pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176599</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You never actually read Origin of Species, it seems, nor are aware of how English changes over time.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Well that last part&#039;s easy to explain.  Language doesn&#039;t evolve, of course, any more than organisms do.  So &quot;race&quot; must be the exact same thing in every context, and science never changes either, so Darwin is the person whose holy writ is what the Darwinists must believe through all time.

How is one supposed to deny organic evolution if one accepts the analogous evidences, and materialistic mechanisms of language evolution?  I mean, no one thinks that language evolved via magic or the intervention of space aliens, nor even by &quot;design&quot; (some deliberate language change might be believed by the godless materialists, but clearly they see it as largely non-deliberate), and if we allow that vestiges and homologies indicate language evolution, won&#039;t vestiges and homologies have to be understood as evidence for biological evolution?

No, evidence doesn&#039;t matter, because the Designer can make anything it wants, including apparent evolution.  The designer is godlike, not God, too, and it&#039;s bizarre that anyone would ever suppose that ID is about God, when it&#039;s only about a godlike being or beings.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>You never actually read Origin of Species, it seems, nor are aware of how English changes over time.</strong></em></p>
<p>Well that last part&#8217;s easy to explain.  Language doesn&#8217;t evolve, of course, any more than organisms do.  So &#8220;race&#8221; must be the exact same thing in every context, and science never changes either, so Darwin is the person whose holy writ is what the Darwinists must believe through all time.</p>
<p>How is one supposed to deny organic evolution if one accepts the analogous evidences, and materialistic mechanisms of language evolution?  I mean, no one thinks that language evolved via magic or the intervention of space aliens, nor even by &#8220;design&#8221; (some deliberate language change might be believed by the godless materialists, but clearly they see it as largely non-deliberate), and if we allow that vestiges and homologies indicate language evolution, won&#8217;t vestiges and homologies have to be understood as evidence for biological evolution?</p>
<p>No, evidence doesn&#8217;t matter, because the Designer can make anything it wants, including apparent evolution.  The designer is godlike, not God, too, and it&#8217;s bizarre that anyone would ever suppose that ID is about God, when it&#8217;s only about a godlike being or beings.</p>
<p>Glen D<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7" >http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7</a></p>
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		<title>By: literarydeadkittens</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176598</link>
		<dc:creator>literarydeadkittens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go again! Evolution is not an icon of faith, of blind trust. The theory is an explanation of what is observed in the real world. Whilst you&#039;re challenging evolutionary theory, why don&#039;t you attack quanta, gravity and &#039;round&#039; earth whilst you&#039;re at it?

Secondly, the Expelled flick is all about the supression of ID in academic circles. Michael Behe still has a job doesn&#039;t he? And he&#039;s not the only one. He gets paid far more than me for spouting total tripe. If only I&#039;d cottoned on sooner, I could be rich by now, selling books on snake oil. 

If someone joined the Geology department of a university and advocated a flat Earth; or an astronomer did the same for an Earth-centred universe, should we allow them to teach students or question (a) their credentials and (b) their objectivity as scientists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again! Evolution is not an icon of faith, of blind trust. The theory is an explanation of what is observed in the real world. Whilst you&#8217;re challenging evolutionary theory, why don&#8217;t you attack quanta, gravity and &#8217;round&#8217; earth whilst you&#8217;re at it?</p>
<p>Secondly, the Expelled flick is all about the supression of ID in academic circles. Michael Behe still has a job doesn&#8217;t he? And he&#8217;s not the only one. He gets paid far more than me for spouting total tripe. If only I&#8217;d cottoned on sooner, I could be rich by now, selling books on snake oil. </p>
<p>If someone joined the Geology department of a university and advocated a flat Earth; or an astronomer did the same for an Earth-centred universe, should we allow them to teach students or question (a) their credentials and (b) their objectivity as scientists?</p>
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		<title>By: mayhempix</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176593</link>
		<dc:creator>mayhempix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dalton: &quot;ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s something, I guess.&quot;

Like I said, he&#039;s a coward. And apparently he has a crush on Aaron. Selective breeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dalton: &#8220;ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s something, I guess.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like I said, he&#8217;s a coward. And apparently he has a crush on Aaron. Selective breeding.</p>
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		<title>By: dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176591</link>
		<dc:creator>dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he did shift the discussion over to another thread, where he explains that he&#039;s not going to answer. That&#039;s something, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he did shift the discussion over to another thread, where he explains that he&#8217;s not going to answer. That&#8217;s something, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: mayhempix</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176590</link>
		<dc:creator>mayhempix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please notice how many have responded to Matthew&#039;s post with the correct factual information and he has yet to respond.

Not only is he woefully uninformed, he is also a coward in the face of truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please notice how many have responded to Matthew&#8217;s post with the correct factual information and he has yet to respond.</p>
<p>Not only is he woefully uninformed, he is also a coward in the face of truth.</p>
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		<title>By: David from BC</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176589</link>
		<dc:creator>David from BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew. You are indeed a mental midget and an embarrassment to Canada. You&#039;ve answered none of the thoughtful responses to your ill-formed and uninformed diatribe. Try an honest, thoughtful, well-researched response to writers such as Mike from Ottawa (15), and then an apology to the entire internet community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew. You are indeed a mental midget and an embarrassment to Canada. You&#8217;ve answered none of the thoughtful responses to your ill-formed and uninformed diatribe. Try an honest, thoughtful, well-researched response to writers such as Mike from Ottawa (15), and then an apology to the entire internet community.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176588</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s been very polite so far, Matthew, so let me be the first to lower the tone a little: you are clearly a cretin. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Die Beste Aller Zeiten - Eike Pierstorff : Blog Archive : It might help to read some Books besides the Bible</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176586</link>
		<dc:creator>Die Beste Aller Zeiten - Eike Pierstorff : Blog Archive : It might help to read some Books besides the Bible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Canadian tries to claim his share of the price money by repeating the claim that there is a link between the work of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Avekid</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176585</link>
		<dc:creator>Avekid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stupidity of your post is stunning, Matthew!  You&#039;ve actually made me slightly embarassed to be Canadian.  

Two life lessons for you:

1. Before endorsing documentaries - watch more than the trailer.  Then again, you seem the type to take things on &quot;faith&quot; without reason and/or evidence so perhaps, to satisfy your own poor standards, you needn&#039;t watch it.

2. Before criticizing books - read more than the title.  Unfortunately for you, in order properly to take a critical look at the contents of a book, you must know what those contents are beyond the title.  Arguments against things you don&#039;t understand are bound to fall flat.

In any case, you&#039;ve plenty of excellent rebuttals to your &quot;argument&quot; - although, as predicted earlier, you&#039;re diligently ignoring them in favour of patting yourself and Aaron on the back.  

Cheers, and good luck with...  That.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stupidity of your post is stunning, Matthew!  You&#8217;ve actually made me slightly embarassed to be Canadian.  </p>
<p>Two life lessons for you:</p>
<p>1. Before endorsing documentaries &#8211; watch more than the trailer.  Then again, you seem the type to take things on &#8220;faith&#8221; without reason and/or evidence so perhaps, to satisfy your own poor standards, you needn&#8217;t watch it.</p>
<p>2. Before criticizing books &#8211; read more than the title.  Unfortunately for you, in order properly to take a critical look at the contents of a book, you must know what those contents are beyond the title.  Arguments against things you don&#8217;t understand are bound to fall flat.</p>
<p>In any case, you&#8217;ve plenty of excellent rebuttals to your &#8220;argument&#8221; &#8211; although, as predicted earlier, you&#8217;re diligently ignoring them in favour of patting yourself and Aaron on the back.  </p>
<p>Cheers, and good luck with&#8230;  That.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176574</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of rubbish.  Darwin didn&#039;t encourage any holocaust - you&#039;re putting your own narrow-minded prejudices on to the situation.

Darwin merely explained what wass going on, using the language of his time. 

Along come hard-of-thinking muppets with a religious axe to grind (that&#039;s you!), and we see a lot of dishonest spinning of what was said into whatever twisted message you want to send.

Regardless of you and the other forces of intellectual repression, evolution stands, and has done so for hundreds of years now.  All you lot want is to suppress freedom of thought and research.  When you whine about freedom of speech being suppressed, it&#039;s utterly laughable.  You want to suppress the teaching of evolution in schools while being allowed to peddle your primitive superstitions at will.

The bible is bilge, better used as toilet paper.  As for creationism....that&#039;s just the biggest farce imaginable.  Why don&#039;t you believe in the tooth fairy or the easter bunny?  They&#039;re just as believable, and just as useful in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of rubbish.  Darwin didn&#8217;t encourage any holocaust &#8211; you&#8217;re putting your own narrow-minded prejudices on to the situation.</p>
<p>Darwin merely explained what wass going on, using the language of his time. </p>
<p>Along come hard-of-thinking muppets with a religious axe to grind (that&#8217;s you!), and we see a lot of dishonest spinning of what was said into whatever twisted message you want to send.</p>
<p>Regardless of you and the other forces of intellectual repression, evolution stands, and has done so for hundreds of years now.  All you lot want is to suppress freedom of thought and research.  When you whine about freedom of speech being suppressed, it&#8217;s utterly laughable.  You want to suppress the teaching of evolution in schools while being allowed to peddle your primitive superstitions at will.</p>
<p>The bible is bilge, better used as toilet paper.  As for creationism&#8230;.that&#8217;s just the biggest farce imaginable.  Why don&#8217;t you believe in the tooth fairy or the easter bunny?  They&#8217;re just as believable, and just as useful in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176570</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew: you&#039;re playing the part of the movie more than anyone else here: i.e. allege that criticism equals persecution and then use this to avoid having to respond to any of the criticism in any substantive fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew: you&#8217;re playing the part of the movie more than anyone else here: i.e. allege that criticism equals persecution and then use this to avoid having to respond to any of the criticism in any substantive fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: LuLu</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176568</link>
		<dc:creator>LuLu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron Unruh wrote ... blah, blah, blah.

*yawn*

&quot;It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron Unruh wrote &#8230; blah, blah, blah.</p>
<p>*yawn*</p>
<p>&#8220;It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/12/expelled-the-tyrany-on-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-176564</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry Aaron, I actually find the fact that they obey the characterization that &quot;Expelled&quot; suggests highly amusing and entertaining. Please see the new post up on the site: http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/13/talk-about-hate-speech/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Aaron, I actually find the fact that they obey the characterization that &#8220;Expelled&#8221; suggests highly amusing and entertaining. Please see the new post up on the site: <a href="http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/01/13/talk-about-hate-speech/" >http://www.thepolitic.com/arch.....te-speech/</a></p>
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