Bye
Think! These murderers burned holes in his body and burned his eye.
This murder was on the base of hate, discrimination and racism.
This murder was premeditated, this murder was ordered, commanded, persuaded
and blackmailed by Border Services officer Adam Chapin.
Only for writing about the facts of the murder of Robert Dziekanski, they want to
murder us Maniac Campbell, Psychopath McGuinty and Monster Fantino, etc…

Sincerely
People , Witness

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Mr. Smith makes an excellent point:

The common and accepted practice of kneeling on a suspects head or neck should be getting more attention here.

—-SNIP——

Can you imagine the magnitude of public outrage if it’s determined he ACTUALLY died of a broken neck via excessive force?

I re-watched that video and an officer was certainly kneeling on either his head or his neck.

Only brainwashed, right-wing sheeple could let things get to this point because of 9/11, and because of that, this tragedy is the result. Robert Dziekanski, who was from Poland, was a white guy-what would happen to me, a black man, if I came through the airport and was treated the way he was? I’d be as dead as him, and no one would give a fuck whatsoever.

Until North Americans get over 9/11, and they can calm down enough, I will just have to be content with the memories-however faint-of having traveled to the West Indies when I was 2-3 years old, and of having traveled to LA when I was 14-15.

Don’t get me wrong, I love travel, but I sure as hell don’t want to have to die for it.

OTTAWA — A border services officer who spoke a few words of Robert Dziekanski’s native tongue may have come within minutes of helping avert the Polish immigrant’s death, newly released documents show.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Na.....46666.html

Those 4 RCMP, the hoards of YVR Security and the fat arsed Custom’s people should hold their heads in shame for the rest of their lives.

Innocent blood was shed.

I can’t understand how it could happen (especcayly in such rich and developed country, and after 9/11) that one man can be held in the airport for 10 hours? Isn’t it strange? Maybe Polnad is a poor, developing country but in example in Katowice airport it couldn’t happen, such guy after couple hours would be observed by couple cameras and probably someone from the airport stuff would ask him for his passport, after which further action should be simple and easy to take, without killing a man.

After 10 hours of sitting in an airport many people can act strange, that man thought that Canada is a beautiful civilazed country and was probably sure that even if he made some rumour to let someone take care of him, he wouldn’t be killed. Twenty years ago in Poland, such situation could take place, now it is very hard to imagine somethink like it anywhere in Europe.

Finally, Canadians don’t think that people in Poland hates You, many of us has a greate sympathy for your country however now it could be smaller, people in Polnad don’t want revange… Maybe You could come here on a vacation, it isn’t third world country and what’s more policy will try to help you if they find out that you got lost…

It is clear that Mr. Dziekański was very hostile and aggressive prior to the arrival of RCMP officers. Mr. Dziekański forced custom workers to flee from their office. Mr. Dziekański then proceeded to destroy office equipment such as chairs and computers by throwing them against the window or slamming against the floor.

RCMP officers arrived and attempted to calm him down, and Mr. Dziekański appeared to back away while picking up an object (stapler?). Immediately after, he was tasered and fell to the ground, but Mr. Dziekański continued to resist arrest as additional tasering was administered.

It seems to me that Mr. Dziekański was definitely resisting arrest and threatened arresting officers. Whether or not police acted appropriately in response, I cannot judge because I am not familiar with RCMP procedures.

Had this happened in a post 9/11 AIRPORT in America, I sincerely believe Mr. Dziekański would have been met with far more severe force by the Police, National Guard troops, or airport security guards. What bothers me the most is that it took more than TEN minutes for RCMP to show up, regardless of the eventual outcome.

A few years ago I went on a trip to Latvia to visit a lady whom I had met earlier in Germany. Living in the north of Latvia she had planned to meet me at the airport in Riga. Not possessing a car she was going to travel by bus, but a heavy snowstorm had closed the roadways. Due to budgetary issues Latvia simply cannot afford the same sort of road maintenance that we take for granted in Canada. Undeterred and wanting to be self reliant I decided that I would still reach my destination by train. The communications system is also not perfect either and I had been unable to contact my lady friend to let her know that I would still come. Also I thought it would be pleasant to surprise her. :) I was unprepared for what happened next. Unable to read the signs (Latvian and Russian) and unable to find anyone who spoke English, I blundered around through the train station in confusion and cannot deny feeling bewildered. After about 2 hours of this I was beginning to wonder if it had all been a mistake to come. But then I was approached by a boy of about 12 and his father. I owe a debt of gratitude to this young fellow who although speaking only very little English he recognized that I was in an unpleasant situation. After figuring out where I wanted to go the boy and his father accompanied me to my train and as they were also going north they took the same train. Upon arrival at my destination they accompanied me to the address where I was met by by friend. This boy and his father were kind enough to help a stranger in need.

Would it have been so hard for the RCMP to do something similar? Robert Dziekanski only wanted some help. The very people whom he should have been able to look to for help instead took his life. Every cop in Canada but especially the RCMP should be ashamed.

Anybody concerned about language problems? Come on. Hundreds of travellers who do not speak English enter Canadian airports daily. Majority of them make similar arrangements as Zofia Cisowski did with her son. She came to pick him up at the airport. This arrangement should easily solve any difficulties created by language barrier. However, when Zofia asked repeatedly Airport’s staff about her missing son, she was given false answer that her son was not at the Airport. Come on. How on the Earth, the Airport staff could have any difficulty knowing that a person was still at the Airport. Obviously, they knew it. The flight arrived, and he was on the list of passengers. If he did not come out, it was obvious that he was still inside. They held him for ten hours, so it must be a reason for it, and somebody from the Airport’s staff must have kept record of Mr. Dziekanski being held there. Somebody must have monitored the progress of clearing issues that prevented Mr. Dziekanski to be allowed to come out of the passengers’ arrival gate and to meet with his Mother.

Russian, Russian… guessing game. Was it really so difficult for Security to know that he spoke Polish? Really? Every passenger has travel documents. The Airport is the easiest place on the Earth to figure out which language a traveller speaks. Just ask about the documents and you will know it instantly. Have Security or Police asked him about the documents? Have they asked about his ID the Airport’s staff who called the Police to help them out? Obviously they must have known whom they kept inside the Airport and for what reason. It looks like the order of events was not logical. They took deadly action first, and asked a question whom they killed afterwards. Were Security or four Police officers willing to communicate with Mr. Dziekanski at all? A woman-bystander did, but they did not. They knew that he spoke one of the foreign languages, and in this case it did not matter Russian or any other. The point was that they were just satisfied that he did not speak English to take so dangerous action on him. The only way of communication was to send him a double dose of high voltage electrical current merely few seconds after their arrival, and subsequently to finish their action by depriving a dying man from a gasp of air. Then, no reanimation for next eight minutes. Hmmm… What training have four Police officers had that prevented them from knowing obvious: one really does not need paramedics’ help after such period of time of no pulse and no breathing.

Medical problems? Maybe, but Mr. Dziekanski immigrated legally to Canada, therefore he had to have thorough medical examination that satisfied Canadian Embassy in Poland. It was done by Canadian (not Polish) standards in medical facilities that were designated by Canadian Embassy (Immigration Services) in Poland. If Canadian authorities in Poland said that Mr. Dziekanski was suitable medically to live in Canada based on their own set of medical examinations, it answers concerns of one of the posters above who wrote about possible physical or mental problems that Mr. Dziekanski could have suffered. Even if any physical or mental problems were there (diagnosed or not diagnosed), it should not be a justification for killing this man. After all, we do not kill Canadians who suffer from mental or physical problems, and there are unfortunately many of us with all kinds of medical issues.

Firstly, I hope that as many people protest on Nov 24th and beat the cold weather.

As per HT, the airport staff from security guards to the people behind the information desk should be held responsible. They had a Polish translator (Robert’s own mother) in front of them but instead they decided to not admit ignorance and laziness by concluding without even trying to look for him that he never arrived. This caused his mother to leave one or two hours later.

The RCMP officers are clearly abusing their powers in the video. No one tries to calm him down (there are no hand motions of any sort while they already know he does not speak english). His only weapon which he never had with him was a stool. Obviously there are no weapons in a secure zone. I believe the person that talked to him before the RCMP arrived did a better job trying to communicate than the 4 cowboys that arrived afterwards.

Stockwell Day’s taser inquiry is just a smoke screen. As many people pointed out, the outcome of the inquiries is are known and I think irrelavent. The question is what happens to the people that abused these devices?

Also Day’s comments comparing the situation at the airport to drunk driving is idiotic at best. The two issues are just that, two separate issues. Each should be addressed. It’s just a diversion from the issue at hand.

Why do Americans need guns again? FEAR!. Rcmp officers in that ten minute tape seem to serve and protect themselves. Afraid of a little bump and grind,they taser him to death.

Smile, coffee, cookies, smile again, now their is some proud Canadian courage. One on one ???

And thus is exposed the utter arrogance of the police. Because he couldn’t speak English and follow their directions(whatever they may have been) they simply “tasered” him. Guess that’ll show him!!

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Tasers should be used only against a subject who is actively resisting arrest or posing a risk to others, not someone who is “passively resisting.”

In this case, Dziekanski, who did not speak English, appeared not to be resisting, and there were no other people in the area who could be hurt by his actions.

- Officers should avoid shocking a subject multiple times.

Dziekanski was shocked twice within a matter of seconds.

- Following a Taser shock, a subject should be restrained in a way that allows him to breathe easily.

At one point, four officers were on top of Dziekanski. Two officers knelt with their full weight on his neck and back

The Taser Technology Review Final Report states: “Subjects who struggle with police are almost always restrained in a face-down position. If subjects are pinned down with a great deal of weight placed on their shoulders and back for a long period of time it may hamper their ability to breathe rapidly enough.

Source: Vancouver SUN - “Mounties broke the rules set out for use of Tasers”

Tasers should be used only against a subject who is actively resisting arrest or posing a risk to others, not someone who is “passively resisting.”

In this case, Dziekanski, who did not speak English, appeared not to be resisting, and there were no other people in the area who could be hurt by his actions.

- Officers should avoid shocking a subject multiple times.

Dziekanski was shocked twice within a matter of seconds.

- Following a Taser shock, a subject should be restrained in a way that allows him to breathe easily.

At one point, four officers were on top of Dziekanski. Two officers knelt with their full weight on his neck and back

The thing with psych wards is the nurses and orderlies are dealing with “known” individuals. There is history, both physical and mental, and ongoing contact with the patient. Additionally the orderlies usually only need to physically restrain long enough for someone to sedate the patient. A form of chemical “restraint.”

Police rarely have the luxury of knowing who they’re dealing with. Especially in an international airport.

Dr. Dawg,

Non-compliance doesn’t have to be violent it can simply be unco-operative. The language barrier was a big problem in this incident as I’ve mentioned in previous posts and before the police arrive it’s clear there is a problem with Mr. Dziedzinski as he appears highly agitated, somewhat aggresive (walking around with a table in his hands) and sweating a great deal.
The lack of co-operation by Mr. Dziedzinski was evident. Did he deserve to be Tasered? With the luxury of multiple viewings and the safety of not being the officer on scene I can say no but I don’t think that is a fair assessment.

If what CJ posted is correct there are so many other aspects of this incident that people are ignoring. The ridiculous wait time this man had to experience, the lack of co-operation from C&I when his mother was looking for him in the airport, and, again, if CJ is accurate, the officers arrived and immediately went to the location to secure this individual.

At this time we don’t know what information was given to the 911 call-takers and we don’t know what information was given to the officers involved.

I reiterate. Procedurally, the officers did nothing out of the ordinary. He didn’t comply with officer’s requests and officers Tasered him to make him compliant so that they could secure him for his and other’s safety so that they could find out what was going on.

Again, it’s not pretty but police work isn’t.

Respectfully,

MT

I’ve asked this before, and I’ll repeat–where are the frames showing non-compliance? The man was entirely docile when the cops arrived, until he ended up thrashing on the floor after being administered an electric shock–or two. There is no sign whatsoever on “non-compliance.”

Just reading your small repost from the study the conclusion isn’t unreasonable. That could very well be the consequence of that form of restraint.

I’m wondering if the short amount of time, at least according to the video that’s available, where an officer would have been over him in a similar manner to assist restraint was sufficient to cause this form of distress.

It would appear that the Taser is highly unlikely to cause death but that contributing factors are usually the cause in Taser death. ie: drugs, pre-existing health conditions, etc.

From what I’ve read in what’s been available Mr. Dziedzinski was relatively healthy. That still leaves a small window (though unlikely) that the Taser may have caused his death. Dr. Dawg. That study you referenced is very important.

A person in a highly agitated state, such as this poor man was, may have experienced that hyper-ventilation and become hypoxic.

Again, hopefully the coroner’s inquest will shed light on everything that occurred.

And again, apart from possibly pulling out the Taser and using it somewhat early (and I think a person may be able to make a reasonable case for that), what the officers did was within the bounds of police procedure to secure a non-compliant individual.

It may not be pretty but police work isn’t and it’s not a job for those who want to give the world a big hug and make the bad feelings go away.

Respectfully,

MT

Thanks for the comment about the baton. Another commenter also noticed that he was trying to retract it. But as to the action of the cops as a whole, check out p.39 of this report:

5. What role does restraint play in sudden and unexpected death proximate to restraint?

Subjects who struggle with police are almost always restrained in a face-down position.

If subjects are pinned down with a great deal of weight placed on their shoulders and back for a long period of time it may hamper their ability to breathe rapidly enough.

This state of hypoventilation means the subject can still breathe, just not at the level their body requires to return to equilibrium.

Police may be misled by the fact the subject can still speak, indicating a clear airway, which does not necessarily mean they can breathe at an adequate rate.

It’s the classic fear of sharks fallacy. When you ask north americans what animal is responsible for the most fatalities shark always pops up high on the list. In fact bees (which almost never shows up on the list) are responsible for the most deaths. Problem is when people hear about someone dying from a bee sting it is shrugged off as something that just happens to some people, but when someone gets attacked by a shark it is an event. Similarly, people shrug off when people die from hitting their head against a table in a fight, but pay attention when someone dies from a taser.

Does anyone deserve to die for creating a disturbance? Of course not. Nor does anyone deserve to die when crossing the street. But the reality is both situations have risk associated with them. The only way to figure out the proper way to deal with a situation is to look at all the data as a whole rather than focus on the single event.

First, Dziedzanski’s size. He was about 5 foot 10 or 11 and a rather pudgy 190 pounds or so. He looked middle-aged and was not strongly or athletically built. All four police were larger than he was.

Second, the amount of time he was in the airport. He was there for at least 10 hours after being processed through customs.

Third, the “response” to telephone calls from the public to airport security and 911. This is extremely important, because there are actually two scandals here, the police incompetence and the joke that is YVR airport security. He was shouting and raving and breaking up a chair and a computer keyboard for two hours in the international arrivals area before police arrived. Airport “security” were nowhere in sight until a minute or two before the arrival of the four police, who came from outside the airport in four police cars that parked in front of the terminal arrivals level. They in turn arrived at least 45 minutes after at least two calls had been made to Richmond 911.

Dziedzanski had been in the arrivals area where people wait to meet people coming from customs. It was 1:00 am and customs was closed. He got into a supposedly secure area when a limousine driver with a key inadvertantly let him in. That driver was one of the people who called airport security and 911.

People at the scene thought Dziedzanski was mentally ill, but did not feel physically threatened by him. This can be seen in the early part of the LiveLeak video where a woman attempts to talk to him.

After two hours of noisemaking watched by a couple of dozen limo and taxi drivers and airport passengers, Dziedzanski was dead within one minute of the arrival of the police.

The people I talked to who witnessed this outrage are conservative, law and order working stiffs. They were both horrified by the event and very critical of the police and of the airport. Both of them also thought that the cause of death might not have been the taser, but simply too much force applied to Dziedzinski’s back and neck as they were trying to handcuff him.

First, Dziedzanski’s size. He was about 5 foot 10 or 11 and a rather pudgy 190 pounds or so. He looked middle-aged and was not strongly or athletically built. All four police were larger than he was.

Second, the amount of time he was in the airport. He was there for at least 10 hours after being processed through customs.

Third, the “response” to telephone calls from the public to airport security and 911. This is extremely important, because there are actually two scandals here, the police incompetence and the joke that is YVR airport security. He was shouting and raving and breaking up a chair and a computer keyboard for two hours in the international arrivals area before police arrived. Airport “security” were nowhere in sight until a minute or two before the arrival of the four police, who came from outside the airport in four police cars that parked in front of the terminal arrivals level. They in turn arrived at least 45 minutes after at least two calls had been made to Richmond 911.

Dziedzanski had been in the arrivals area where people wait to meet people coming from customs. It was 1:00 am and customs was closed. He got into a supposedly secure area when a limousine driver with a key inadvertantly let him in. That driver was one of the people who called airport security and 911.

People at the scene thought Dziedzanski was mentally ill, but did not feel physically threatened by him. This can be seen in the early part of the LiveLeak video where a woman attempts to talk to him.

After two hours of noisemaking watched by a couple of dozen limo and taxi drivers and airport passengers, Dziedzanski was dead within one minute of the arrival of the police.

The people I talked to who witnessed this outrage are conservative, law and order working stiffs. They were both horrified by the event and very critical of the police and of the airport. Both of them also thought that the cause of death might not have been the taser, but simply too much applied to Dziedzinski’s back and neck as they were trying to handcuff him.

Some of my ancestors were Dutch. I don’t think they spoke any English. I’m glad they were let into this country.

Just saying.

Respectfully,

MT