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		<title>By: Sandy (COTM)</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164394</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy (COTM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George -- I have taken the liberty of posting this "letter" with full credits to you and thepolitic.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George &#8212; I have taken the liberty of posting this &#8220;letter&#8221; with full credits to you and thepolitic.com</p>
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		<title>By: Crux-of-the-Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A mischevious letter from Gordon O&#8217;Connor?</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164392</link>
		<dc:creator>Crux-of-the-Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A mischevious letter from Gordon O&#8217;Connor?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] tongue firmly planted in cheek, one of my regular readers, SOR (aka Sandra O.) sent me the URL for this mischevious letter ostensibly from a lady libertarian to Defense Minister Gordon O&#8217;Connor regarding the treatment [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] tongue firmly planted in cheek, one of my regular readers, SOR (aka Sandra O.) sent me the URL for this mischevious letter ostensibly from a lady libertarian to Defense Minister Gordon O&#8217;Connor regarding the treatment [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Case in point, while I thought the Abu Grahab scandal was bad, it wasnâ€™t that bad; still better treatment than anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners."

Surely, we need to hold our treatment of detainees to a higher standard than "anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners."  Otherwise, what the hell are we doing over there?  How could we hope to help implement a strong and principled democracy in Afghanistan that abides by the rule of law?  We need to set an example in Afghanistan on how to do things right.  The sad thing is that our armed forces do this 99% of the time and I would argue that the treatment of detainees issue is part of the other 1%.  Our Military and political leadership is more than capable to solve this problem and work with the Afghans on an appropriate approach to treating prisoners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Case in point, while I thought the Abu Grahab scandal was bad, it wasnâ€™t that bad; still better treatment than anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely, we need to hold our treatment of detainees to a higher standard than &#8220;anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners.&#8221;  Otherwise, what the hell are we doing over there?  How could we hope to help implement a strong and principled democracy in Afghanistan that abides by the rule of law?  We need to set an example in Afghanistan on how to do things right.  The sad thing is that our armed forces do this 99% of the time and I would argue that the treatment of detainees issue is part of the other 1%.  Our Military and political leadership is more than capable to solve this problem and work with the Afghans on an appropriate approach to treating prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: George Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164300</link>
		<dc:creator>George Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality of war is tough.  I have seen no evidence to believe Clay's assertion to be the case.  Nor do I think the terrorists are subhuman.

However, what passes as inhumane treatment to a Canadian cynic is not necessarily that inhumane to the context of the war in Afghanistan.  The Afghanis have to learn to govern themselves, and it takes time to develop good institutional infrastructure to support criminal prosecution.

As long as they are getting fed something half decent relative to the rest of the population, not getting their limbs hacked off during interrogation, they're doing ok.  

Case in point, while I thought the Abu Grahab scandal was bad, it wasn't that bad; still better treatment than anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners.

But I realize idealists have a hard time coming to grips with reality of war, the sometimes necessary use of torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality of war is tough.  I have seen no evidence to believe Clay&#8217;s assertion to be the case.  Nor do I think the terrorists are subhuman.</p>
<p>However, what passes as inhumane treatment to a Canadian cynic is not necessarily that inhumane to the context of the war in Afghanistan.  The Afghanis have to learn to govern themselves, and it takes time to develop good institutional infrastructure to support criminal prosecution.</p>
<p>As long as they are getting fed something half decent relative to the rest of the population, not getting their limbs hacked off during interrogation, they&#8217;re doing ok.  </p>
<p>Case in point, while I thought the Abu Grahab scandal was bad, it wasn&#8217;t that bad; still better treatment than anything the Iraqis would have rendered such prisoners.</p>
<p>But I realize idealists have a hard time coming to grips with reality of war, the sometimes necessary use of torture.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164298</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These "terrorists" are often random citizens, farmers, etc who are picked up for no reason other than they are in the wrong place at the right time.  The expectation is that humane treatment be provided while being held while awaiting charges/trials.  I know it is easier for you all to just write off every dark skinned person as a terrorist, but it is truley not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8220;terrorists&#8221; are often random citizens, farmers, etc who are picked up for no reason other than they are in the wrong place at the right time.  The expectation is that humane treatment be provided while being held while awaiting charges/trials.  I know it is easier for you all to just write off every dark skinned person as a terrorist, but it is truley not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These terrorist are subhuman in their behaviour; why should we treat them like humans?

Do not provide aid or comfort to the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These terrorist are subhuman in their behaviour; why should we treat them like humans?</p>
<p>Do not provide aid or comfort to the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Abattoir</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164289</link>
		<dc:creator>Abattoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I had thought the level of discourse here was above that of war-mongering flag-waving xenophobic southern Republicans. Apparently, I was mistaken.

Sociopathic terrorists or not, these are humans deserving of humane treatment. To deny them such would be to lower ourselves to their level. Canada has an obligation to look after the well-being of anyone captured by Canadian troops, to ensure their human rights are respected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I had thought the level of discourse here was above that of war-mongering flag-waving xenophobic southern Republicans. Apparently, I was mistaken.</p>
<p>Sociopathic terrorists or not, these are humans deserving of humane treatment. To deny them such would be to lower ourselves to their level. Canada has an obligation to look after the well-being of anyone captured by Canadian troops, to ensure their human rights are respected.</p>
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		<title>By: George Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164245</link>
		<dc:creator>George Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely!  These terrorist dudes just need to get centred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely!  These terrorist dudes just need to get centred.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Unruh</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164242</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Unruh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group."

Not a bad idea. Ahmed probably needs to loosen up a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a bad idea. Ahmed probably needs to loosen up a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Crazy (.com)</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/06/27/dear-national-defence/#comment-164438</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Crazy (.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;mentioned it as well. I can pretty much gaurantee that itâ€™s just another of those internet fabrications but I have to admit that I damn near laughed my arse off the first time I read it.  As the story goes, a lady libertarian from the Centre Of The UniverseÂ®&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->mentioned it as well. I can pretty much gaurantee that itâ€™s just another of those internet fabrications but I have to admit that I damn near laughed my arse off the first time I read it.  As the story goes, a lady libertarian from the Centre Of The UniverseÂ®<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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