Comments on: The McGuinty Budget: Almost Enough To Make John Tory Actually Look Decent…almost! http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/ Conservative group weblog that publishes daily commentary on political events and topics affecting Canada, the United States and the world. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:41:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Joanne's Journey: March 2007 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-171319 Joanne's Journey: March 2007 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:44:51 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-171319 [...] or higher Toronto resident with no kids, you are not a happy camper today.* * * *Update: More at the Politic - The McGuinty Budget: Almost enough to make John Tory actually look decent...almost! (Boy, there's [...] [...] or higher Toronto resident with no kids, you are not a happy camper today.* * * *Update: More at the Politic – The McGuinty Budget: Almost enough to make John Tory actually look decent…almost! (Boy, there’s [...]

]]> By: ruralrenegade http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156088 ruralrenegade Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:22:51 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156088 McGuinty is hell-bent on destroying small business for some reason. First, his anti-smoking policies put many small business owners out on the street (then had the audacity to install smoking shelters in his own cash cows: casinos). Now he will bankrupt more hard-working small business owners with his left-wing thuggery through this minimum wage fiasco. As stated above, most minimum wage earners are students, retired people or it is a second income for those with a higher earning spouse. Oh, but look at all the good Mr. McGuinty has done! We can now take a bottle of wine to a restaurant and ask for a corkage fee. Do you actually know of anyone who does this? Can you believe that this was actually an issue that time, energy and money was spent on to enact this? McGuinty is hell-bent on destroying small business for some reason. First, his anti-smoking policies put many small business owners out on the street (then had the audacity to install smoking shelters in his own cash cows: casinos). Now he will bankrupt more hard-working small business owners with his left-wing thuggery through this minimum wage fiasco. As stated above, most minimum wage earners are students, retired people or it is a second income for those with a higher earning spouse.
Oh, but look at all the good Mr. McGuinty has done! We can now take a bottle of wine to a restaurant and ask for a corkage fee. Do you actually know of anyone who does this? Can you believe that this was actually an issue that time, energy and money was spent on to enact this?

]]> By: Matthew http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156065 Matthew Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:01:20 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156065 Andrew Coyne mentioned the stat in one of his articles at the beginning of February I think (around the time of the 3 by-elections). I think he said it was around 1% of the population earns that much. Remember too though how many people in that one percent group are just doing that to make some extra cash on the side, like the spouse who has a part time job while his/her wife/husband brings in the extra bucks. Our economy is still adjusting to $8/hr; raise it much higher in yes, either: a) companies like Tim Horton's will have to lay off workers, including students who spend their wages on various items that fuel the service sector of our economy or b)companies that HAVE to keep all the workers will have to hike up prices just to keep in the black. If items go up in price, less people will be able to afford them and hence the economy will suffer. In that latter case, its clear to see that, by extension, a wage increase really won't matter for minimum wage earners. They'll get more physical dollars on their pay cheque, but they'll also have to pay more for simple things like coffee, food, and even a movie rental; all the places we get those things from typically pay their workers *minimum wage*; there's also good reason for it too! That's what passing the savings onto the consumer is all about! Andrew Coyne mentioned the stat in one of his articles at the beginning of February I think (around the time of the 3 by-elections). I think he said it was around 1% of the population earns that much. Remember too though how many people in that one percent group are just doing that to make some extra cash on the side, like the spouse who has a part time job while his/her wife/husband brings in the extra bucks. Our economy is still adjusting to $8/hr; raise it much higher in yes, either:

a) companies like Tim Horton’s will have to lay off workers, including students who spend their wages on various items that fuel the service sector of our economy or

b)companies that HAVE to keep all the workers will have to hike up prices just to keep in the black. If items go up in price, less people will be able to afford them and hence the economy will suffer.

In that latter case, its clear to see that, by extension, a wage increase really won’t matter for minimum wage earners. They’ll get more physical dollars on their pay cheque, but they’ll also have to pay more for simple things like coffee, food, and even a movie rental; all the places we get those things from typically pay their workers *minimum wage*; there’s also good reason for it too! That’s what passing the savings onto the consumer is all about!

]]> By: Greg Farries http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156061 Greg Farries Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:25:36 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156061 <blockquote>Have you ever tried to live on $8/hour? It’s simply not possible today, without resorting to food banks and credit cards. I’ve been there. Poverty is horribly stressful.</blockquote> I'm having trouble tracking down the stat, but from what I remember, there are so few people actually earning minimum wage that this whole argument is moot. We're not talking millions of people here, we're talking thousands, and I'm willing to bet the vast majority are youth. I'll keep looking for the actual stat that contains the amount of people in Canada earner minimum wage, if you have it, please post it.

Have you ever tried to live on $8/hour? It’s simply not possible today, without resorting to food banks and credit cards. I’ve been there. Poverty is horribly stressful.

I’m having trouble tracking down the stat, but from what I remember, there are so few people actually earning minimum wage that this whole argument is moot.

We’re not talking millions of people here, we’re talking thousands, and I’m willing to bet the vast majority are youth.

I’ll keep looking for the actual stat that contains the amount of people in Canada earner minimum wage, if you have it, please post it.

]]> By: softtalk http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156052 softtalk Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:52:14 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156052 Wow Abattoir, it's obvious that you have never been in business. Most companies have very slim margins. Your casual remark that not kicking out $10.00/hr per employee means you deserve to go under is pretty short-sighted. Want to kill small business start-ups? This is a graet beginning. Wow Abattoir, it’s obvious that you have never been in business. Most companies have very slim margins. Your casual remark that not kicking out $10.00/hr per employee means you deserve to go under is pretty short-sighted. Want to kill small business start-ups? This is a graet beginning.

]]> By: Abattoir http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156049 Abattoir Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:00:51 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156049 Have you ever tried to live on $8/hour? It's simply not possible today, without resorting to food banks and credit cards. I've been there. Poverty is horribly stressful. The wage hike seems all the more excessive because it was stuck at $6.85/hr for over a decade, while inflation ate away at the buying power of a dollar. If a business can only survive buy paying its employees less than a living wage, they deserve to go under. It will be replaced by another business that can. Have you ever tried to live on $8/hour? It’s simply not possible today, without resorting to food banks and credit cards. I’ve been there. Poverty is horribly stressful.

The wage hike seems all the more excessive because it was stuck at $6.85/hr for over a decade, while inflation ate away at the buying power of a dollar. If a business can only survive buy paying its employees less than a living wage, they deserve to go under. It will be replaced by another business that can.

]]> By: Joanne C. http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156036 Joanne C. Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:37:43 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156036 John Tory needs to put a little pizzazz in his ads. They are pathetic. John Tory needs to put a little pizzazz in his ads. They are pathetic.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156007 Matthew Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:15:03 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156007 But if costs of buisness goes up, you don't slash wages of other employees to make up the difference, no buisness would. How would you punish the execs anyway? And do you or I have the moral authority to say that someone's wage/benefits should go down to compensate for another's wage increase? But if costs of buisness goes up, you don’t slash wages of other employees to make up the difference, no buisness would. How would you punish the execs anyway? And do you or I have the moral authority to say that someone’s wage/benefits should go down to compensate for another’s wage increase?

]]> By: Real Conservative http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/comment-page-1/#comment-156004 Real Conservative Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:48:23 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/03/22/the-mcguinty-budget-almost-enough-to-make-john-tory-actually-look-decent/#comment-156004 Why are wage increases at the low end NOT coming out of the pockets of execs? Maybe they should. Why are wage increases at the low end NOT coming out of the pockets of execs? Maybe they should.

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