Comments on: Calm Down — Corporate Amerikkka isn’t going to steal your precious Internet http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/ Conservative group weblog that publishes daily commentary on political events and topics affecting Canada, the United States and the world. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:41:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: The Invisible Hand http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153663 The Invisible Hand Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:16:34 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153663 <i>All I can say is that if you “trust” to the goodwill of corporations (or even their indifference), you will sooner or later find out that corporations act in their own interests, and seldom the public’s.</i> I "trust the goodwill of corporations" <b>slightly</b> more than I trust the goodwill of government. If you don't like your ISP throttling your torrents, then switch to <a href="http://www.canadianisp.com/">another ISP</a> that doesn't. All I can say is that if you “trust” to the goodwill of corporations (or even their indifference), you will sooner or later find out that corporations act in their own interests, and seldom the public’s.

I “trust the goodwill of corporations” slightly more than I trust the goodwill of government.

If you don’t like your ISP throttling your torrents, then switch to another ISP that doesn’t.

]]> By: lrC http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153352 lrC Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:09:23 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153352 >The fact is that Canadian ISPs are blocking traffic and throttling bandwidth for some applications, such as bittorrent or voip. Allowing distinctions to be drawn between priorities is exactly why net neutrality should be left dead. We don't need bittorrent applications and other greedy strategies to degrade overall performance. >The fact is that Canadian ISPs are blocking traffic and throttling bandwidth for some applications, such as bittorrent or voip.

Allowing distinctions to be drawn between priorities is exactly why net neutrality should be left dead. We don’t need bittorrent applications and other greedy strategies to degrade overall performance.

]]> By: Grog http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153315 Grog Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:59:47 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153315 <i>any attempt by our Congress to legislate net neutrality will bring Internet development and innovation to a halt on both sides of the borders</i> Waitasec - that logic doesn't quite parse for me. The "net" starts off as a "neutral" creature to begin with. Over the last 25 years or so, there's been an amazing amount of innovation and development by both commercial and non-commercial entities. Now, you argue that a regulatory environment that reinforces that neutrality is going to kill any innovation? Sorry, but that doesn't make a lot of sense. any attempt by our Congress to legislate net neutrality will bring Internet development and innovation to a halt on both sides of the borders

Waitasec – that logic doesn’t quite parse for me.

The “net” starts off as a “neutral” creature to begin with. Over the last 25 years or so, there’s been an amazing amount of innovation and development by both commercial and non-commercial entities.

Now, you argue that a regulatory environment that reinforces that neutrality is going to kill any innovation? Sorry, but that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

]]> By: HandsOff http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153308 HandsOff Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:51:17 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153308 I work on net neutrality issues in the US and believe that any attempt by our Congress to legislate net neutrality will bring Internet development and innovation to a halt on both sides of the borders. The US Congress does not regulate lightly, and so-called net neutrality legislation would remove all incentive for the American telcos to expand broadband capability, which would affect the quality and capability of the Internet for not only Americans but also any Canadians trying to access information based in the US. You can find more information about the debate over net neutrality in the US by visiting my coalitions website at www.handsoff.org. I work on net neutrality issues in the US and believe that any attempt by our Congress to legislate net neutrality will bring Internet development and innovation to a halt on both sides of the borders. The US Congress does not regulate lightly, and so-called net neutrality legislation would remove all incentive for the American telcos to expand broadband capability, which would affect the quality and capability of the Internet for not only Americans but also any Canadians trying to access information based in the US. You can find more information about the debate over net neutrality in the US by visiting my coalitions website at http://www.handsoff.org.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153305 Steve Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:16:03 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153305 We need a real debate on net neutrality in Canada. The fact is that Canadian ISPs are blocking traffic and throttling bandwidth for some applications, such as bittorrent or voip. They have clear conflicts of interest with respect to their media and telecom holdings. I would prefer a market solution. However, we do have a pretty tight oligopoly/monopoly in the provision of internet services in most Canadian markets. The issue is not black and white, but has many shades of gray. We want to encourage investment in advanced networks, but at the same time, we must ensure access to those networks on a equitable basis. We need a real debate on net neutrality in Canada. The fact is that Canadian ISPs are blocking traffic and throttling bandwidth for some applications, such as bittorrent or voip. They have clear conflicts of interest with respect to their media and telecom holdings.

I would prefer a market solution. However, we do have a pretty tight oligopoly/monopoly in the provision of internet services in most Canadian markets. The issue is not black and white, but has many shades of gray. We want to encourage investment in advanced networks, but at the same time, we must ensure access to those networks on a equitable basis.

]]> By: Grog http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-153289 Grog Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:52:32 +0000 http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2007/02/19/calm-down-corporate-amerikkka-isnt-going-to-steal-your-precious-internet/#comment-153289 <i>We aren’t blocking anyone’s packets and websites and we don’t have any intention of doing so… we don’t think the regulators should create a bunch of rules to prevent something that isn’t happening anyway, because you never know what the future will hold.”</i> Do I really have to point out that Telus has been known to block specific addresses when they have been politically inconvenient? All I can say is that if you "trust" to the goodwill of corporations (or even their indifference), you will sooner or later find out that corporations act in their own interests, and seldom the public's. We aren’t blocking anyone’s packets and websites and we don’t have any intention of doing so… we don’t think the regulators should create a bunch of rules to prevent something that isn’t happening anyway, because you never know what the future will hold.”

Do I really have to point out that Telus has been known to block specific addresses when they have been politically inconvenient?

All I can say is that if you “trust” to the goodwill of corporations (or even their indifference), you will sooner or later find out that corporations act in their own interests, and seldom the public’s.

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