Garth Turner lent the online commentator Greg Felton a fair amount of legitimacy by agreeing to an interview with him a few weeks ago. Turner should have done a more thorough check on Felton. His latest:
The Jews who perpetrate these atrocities do not kill out of any perceived military threat to Israel; they kill because they are steeped in a toxic culture of Jewish supremacy and anti-Arab hatred. They torture and massacre Arabs, starve them, toy with them, punish them for their birth, and they do so voluntarily, even eagerly, with unsurpassable malice and cruelty.
Commenter Reality Check:
Felton knows if he libels a living person, he is exposed to a civil suit. Felton also knows if he practises hate speech in Canada against Jews, he risks prosecution for hate crimes under our Criminal Code. So he dances between quoting dead people and attacking “Zionists.” But the above words are less careful, as he lets his guard down briefly and speaks of the “Jews” rather than “Zionists.”
Where is the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal when you need it?
Not offensive enough for you?:
“Do we seriously believe that our soldiers, airmen and sailors fought against Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan only to bequeath to us a world terrorized by Israel, the U.S. and Great Britain? What right do we have to indulge the conceit of our own virtue when we have become the enemy and are doing to Arabs and the Middle East what Hitler did to Jewish Europeans and Europe?”
I wonder what Garth’s other friends are like.
Mark Wells wrote:
Are you a hired gun or what? I mean, Garth gave a guy an interview… that’s not an endorsement of someone’s views. By this logic, Garth would be your best friend, considering all the times you’ve posted about him.
Posted on 22-Nov-06 at 11:24 pm | Permalink
Greg Felton wrote:
Once again, Joe “Reality Check” Hockey has nothing better to do than misrepresent me and my views.
He, not I, should be concerned about libel. I know the law; he doesn’t, which is why he goes around assassinating the characters of people he doesn’t like.
Hockey’s irrational fixation with me led to him to disgrace himself numerous times on Antonia Zerbesias’s weblog.
Hockey’s problemm is that he cannot tolerate anyone condemning Israel for being a war criminal state, and so engages in a cheap vendetta on its behalf.
He is a zionist shill who deserves our pity.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 12:17 am | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Greg Felton, it isn’t character assassination to chastise someone’s views. Your views are clear and they are hateful.
You hold Jews (who you claim aren’t really Jews but rather Khazars) responsible for the Holocaust and also deny the fundamental truth of the Holocaust. You give interviews to anti-Semitic sites that depict “Zionists” as rats and link to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (as well as to UFO conspiracy sites) and you proudly display those links on your website.
I don’t blame Garth as he had no idea who he was talking to. But I doubt he’ll give you a second interview!
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 6:12 am | Permalink
Marky Mark wrote:
If I understand Greg Felton’s argument correctly, only statements #1 and perhaps #2 would be objectionable. I would draw the line much lower down on this scale:
1. All people with red hair should die.
2. I hate all people with red hair.
3. People with red hair are responsible for all the wars.
4. People with red hair have too much money and power.
5. All people with red hair who call themselves redheads (”Reds”) should die.
6. I hate all Reds.
7. Reds are responsible for all the wars.
8. Reds have too much money and power.
9. Reds are an “enemy in this country—a virulant, sadistic enemy, only we are not allowed to defend ourselves against it or even acknowledge it.”
I think most of us would agree that all nine of these statements are merely variations on a theme. All express hatred for an indentifiable group.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 8:12 am | Permalink
Greg Felton wrote:
Hockey, you are ignorant and incompetent.
I have NEVER said anything that can be described as hateful, unless sourcing my arguments to zionist sources is considered “hateful.”
You have repeatedly refused to address the zionist-Nazi colllaboration or demonistratewd any understanding of my arguments.
Typical of your ignorance and dishonesty is your snide comment that I endorse “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and you proudly display those links on your website”
I do not. The fact that you lie so glibly proves you to be slanderer and a character assassin.
By the way, Garth said he would be happy to give me a interview.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 10:56 am | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Greg, wrong again. You gave interviews to these sites:
http://www.iamthewitness.com and http://www.rense.com
Proud of ‘em?
Re: Zionist collaboration with the Nazis and being the cause of the destruction of European Jewry, I don’t think even the OJ jury would fall for that. Hitler wrote about his goals and consistently spoke of them for years. He then carried them out. Moreover, the Nazis have confessed to their crimes, a fact you seemingly ignore. Your willingness to ignore these basic facts as well as tons of peer reviewed scholarly research is testament to your refusal to accept reality. Which is why you refer to the Holocaust as a “hoax” and “as much myth as fact.” Shame on you.
Yes, Garth gave you the interview, but if you read what he wrote on his blog he says he had no idea who you were before he did so. Are you suggesting that now that he knows what you are about, he would be interviewed by you again? Let’s see the evidence of that and, if it occurs, whether he lets you get away with it without being accountable for your “work.” Not bloody likely.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 11:09 am | Permalink
Aaron Unruh wrote:
“Yes, Garth gave you the interview, but if you read what he wrote on his blog he says he had no idea who you were before he did so.”
Do you have a link to that?
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 11:42 am | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Aaron, yup:
http://www.garth.ca/weblog/200.....-on-garth/
See this one as well:
http://www.garth.ca/weblog/200.....-column-3/
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Aaron Unruh wrote:
Thanks for the links. Garth sez:
“Never heard of this guy before. He was one of a string of journalists who called and requested an interview. It was set up by my staff. — Garth”
Can Garth really sluff off his responsibility this easily? What would have been the result in he had given an interview to someone who espoused views similar to those of Felton, but pointed toward Arabs?
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 12:07 pm | Permalink
Marky Mark wrote:
If you want to read the Criminal Code sections relating to hate speech, read Sections 318 and 319 in the following link:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/280838.html
It seems to me to be a legitimate position that the quote at the beginning of this thread fits the test. One might take the view that those words are designed to incite hatred against Jews for what Jews allegedly do to Arabs.
But prosecutions for hate crimes are exceedingly rare as they only give publicity to the hatemongers who crave that very thing. Convictions are very difficult to obtain as well.
But to disagree with Felton’s statement that his words cannot be described as “hateful” does not require that his words meet the test for a conviction under our hate laws.
I think the few words reproduced above satisfy this definition of the word “hateful”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hateful
“1. arousing hate or deserving to be hated: the hateful oppression of dictators.
2. unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful: She found her domestic chores hateful.
3. full of or expressing hate; malignant; malevolent: a hateful denunciatory speech.”
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Greg Felton wrote:
Hockey, you dumbfuck!
I will grant an interview to anybody who wants to talk to me. Their personal points of view are of no interest to me. If you heard my interview with Daryl Bradford Smith, you know I disagree with his main thesis.
Since you cannot find ONE SINGLE ERROR OF FACT in my writing, I have to conclude that you are incapable of anything other than defamation for its own sake.
I called him after you defamed me on his site and he was most complimentary. He even praised me for conducting a fair interview.
As for Marky Mark:
You do not understand the difference between hateful and aggressive speech. You claim the quote at the top of this thread is hateful, but it depicts a demonstrable fact; therefore it cannot be hateful.
Furthermore, I prove the validity of this quote in the rest of my column.
Again: I dare you to find one error of fact in my writing. Thge fact you don’t like it concerns me not in the least.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 1:25 pm | Permalink
Marky Mark wrote:
Using words like hoax and myth to describe the Holocaut, if true, sound like one really big error of fact!
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
Greg Farries wrote:
You’re a class-act, Felton
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
Aaron Unruh wrote:
“I called him after you defamed me on his site and he was most complimentary. He even praised me for conducting a fair interview.”
That doesn’t exactly jive with Garth’s subsequent comments on his site. Of course, he is being deliberately obtuse.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Greg Felton, regarding Garth Turner, your reference doesn’t seem to fit with the following exchange on his blog:
Garth: “I thought the column sucked. As for eliminating a link, of course that can be done - and, as time and resources permit, we shall try to preview such links and determine their public worth. — Garth”
Felton:
“Garth:
I object most strongly to the defamatory comments of Joe “Reality Check” Hockey. He is a disturbed man who is making a career out of attacking my character and advocating that I be censored.
I am aslo disturbed by your glib commment that a column of mine “sucked.”
If you have a problem with something I havew [sic] written, tell me and we can discuss it here.
Greg
By Greg Felton on 11.13.06 4:38 pm
Furthermore, I have NEVER written anything that could remotely be called hateful.
To claim otherwise is libelous.
By Greg Felton on 11.13.06 5:48 pm”
More important, you have made several errors of fact and several of the opinions that you express are questionable.
Regarding facts, in my opinion you make many errors of fact. As an example, you say on your website that you link to your postings here and on Garth’s website that:
“The Holocaust has been so polluted by propaganda that it’s virtually impossible to separate fact from disinformation, so I cannot say for certain if Ahmadinejad is right.”
You make this statement as part of a column approving the public statements of the President of Iran.
See: http://www.gregfelton.com/middle/2005_12_22.htm
The overwhelming weight of evidence supports the official narrative of the Holocaust. Accordingly, I question your facts on that subject.
You also say:
“Now, the zionist Jews who founded Israel are another matter. For the most part, they are not Semites, and their language (Yiddish) is not semitic. These Ashkenazi (“German”) Jews are mostly East European Slavs descended from the Khazars, a nomadic Turko-Finnic people that migrated out of the Caucasus in the second century and came to settle, broadly speaking, in what is now Southern Russia and Ukraine.”
See: http://www.gregfelton.com/middle/2001_08_21.htm
Again, the overwhelming weight of evidence supports the concept that today’s Jews descend from Biblical Jews. (I’m not sure whether this matters, but it is still in my view an error of fact.)
The bottom line is you take the view that what you say is factually correct without any doubt, even when it is opinion. In this country people are free to disagree with you both on the facts and on your conclusions. We’re also free to critique those views generally. None of this is libelous or defamatory.
You also support your views with quotes, most of which are impossible to verify as the people who allegedly spoke the quoted words are dead. In some cases many think the quotes used are inauthentic.
Anyway, enough of this exchange.
Posted on 23-Nov-06 at 6:30 pm | Permalink
Greg Felton wrote:
One of these days Hockey you will learn basic rules ofr honesty, but then perhaps I am being optimistic.
I havew not made onne error of fact, despite your attempts to assert otherwise.
The best you can do is lmisrepresetn me and them condemn me for saying something I did not say.
The Holocaust, HAS been polluted by propaganda. In my piece on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s comments about Israel and THE HOLOCAUST, I showed that the Polish government, not I, debunked the myth of 6 million, so why do you insist on claiming that I deny “THE HOLOCAUST.”
You may not agree, but you have no right to claim it is an error of fact, since you have offered no evidence to support the figure.
Besides, in a free society, any subject may be criticized, but the fact the The Lobby and its malicious mouthpieces slander, libel andn dewnigrate anyone who does so prrofes that the official “Jewish” version if events is indefensible and must be propped up by intimidation and violence.
The lot of you are pathetic——not one brain cell among you.
I say it again: Hockey, you’re a liar.
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 12:53 am | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Ernst,
For someone who calls people “liar,” “dumbfuck” and “disturbed,” you have quite a thin skin.
People far smarter than you have researched the Holocaust and their work has been reviewed by their peers as a matter of scholarship. The 6 million number is sound and reasonable people won’t take lessons on it from Iran, Zundel—or you.
The fact that the number on a plaque outside Auschwitz has changed is irreleavnt, as the 6 million number was never based on 4 million dead at that camp.
While I suppose reasonable people can disagree on the actual number of dead people-and whatever it is is a tragedy-your hateful desire to blame these deaths on collaboration by Zionists is ridiculous and unsubstantiated.
Hitler had an army. He was clear in his goals and carried them out. The genocide of European Jews was one of his war aims and he stuck to it. The Nazis have confessed.
Accept it.
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/.....on-variant
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 6:46 am | Permalink
Ryan wrote:
Aww come one Greg - you must have another bizarre and misguided tirade left in you. Put up or shut up.
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
Greg Farries wrote:
I’m confused, Who’s Hockey?
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Conservative Canadian wrote:
Beats me. That reference makes as much sense as everything else Greg Felton said-none.
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
Greg Felton wrote:
There must be one brain cell among the lot of you, and a defective one at that.
IF anyone thinds the zionist nizkor is an authority on the holocaust, he needs his head examined.
You can hide behind the xionist wauthorities asll you wawnt bubt you havew not addressed the Polish refvcision, or the fact that there is no emmpirical data for 6 million dead Jews.
I supoppose you think Avraaham Stern lied when he tried to make common cause weihwt the Nazis. The Nazi-sionist collaboration is amatter of public record and is the basis for the book “The Transafer Agreement” wrwiten by Edwin Black, a Zionist Jew.
Are you so self-deluded that you can deny the evidence in front of you?
Here’s the evidence:
http://www.gregfelton.com/middle/2005_07_07a.htm
Or are you too much of a coward and a liar to face it?
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Greg, nobody here wants to take lessons on reason or morality from someone whose “work” is reproduced on the Zundel Site!
http://www.zundelsite.org/zund.....ehran.html
Your posts are starting to look like they are from Son of Sam….
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Canadian Conservative wrote:
Greg Felton you are an anti-Semite.
The premise of your misguided argument is that all powerful Jews secretly conspired to kill their own. Perhaps some Jews did try to save others by getting them out of Nazi Germany. What’s the problem with that?
The quote Aaron reproduced above confirms your deep anti-Semitism by accusing the Jews of doing to others what you deny was done to them. Your choices of words like “eagerly” are designed to appeal to medieval notions of evil Jews responsible for all evil.
If you are so sure Garth Turner agrees wity you, which surely is not true, why don’t you phone him again and have him post that he agrees with you?
Posted on 24-Nov-06 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
Marky Mark wrote:
Looks like he ran away……
Posted on 29-Nov-06 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
Reality Check wrote:
Could he be at the Iran conference right now?
Posted on 12-Dec-06 at 1:59 pm | Permalink
The Memory wrote:
This is being posted Feb. 27, 2007 by someone who has decided that Greg Felton deserves to get his sorry racist ass sued off and has begun research towards that end.
The above exchange demonstrates just a small sample of this pathetic creature’s pathology.
Felton can scribble his insults and lie down dogs…but sooner or later he’s gonna be scratching his fleas…
Posted on 28-Feb-07 at 12:50 am | Permalink
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