The Liberals want this election to be a fight about national unity. Vote Liberal if you love Canada! Federalist Quebecers should especially vote Liberal, or else the separist Bloc Quebecois will represent their province in parliament yet again. But a Liberal party memo that was accidentally emailed to the press suggests it’s a fight they’re not very confident of winning.
According to the memo, the Liberals believe that only 10 of their Quebec seats are safe. Another 20 seats– 9 currently held by the Liberals, and 11 held by the BQ– are believed to be up for grabs. It seems as though the Liberals themselves believe they’ve got no chance in 45 of the provinces’ 75 ridings. Should they really building this election up as an important vote on national unity when they already know they’re going to get clobbered?
Jason C wrote:
If you care about the country you will vote Liberal. If you’re into old rich white men and belive that old rich white men deserve everything in life at the expense of every one else - vote conservative. If you hate the country - vote conservative. If you want to decide upon whom the constitution can be applied to - vote conservative. If you want Canadian soldiers to get involved in an illegal war - vote conservative! If you are an angry, self-hating individual bent on lashing out at people - vote conservative.
Posted on 16-Dec-05 at 9:48 am | Permalink
Kimmy wrote:
So, are you saying you find the Liberals credible on national unity, Jay?
Posted on 16-Dec-05 at 11:59 am | Permalink
Garth Wood wrote:
“Canada: A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of the Federal Liberal Party.”
Yeah baby! If you want to see Canada disintegrate into factionalism and ultimately separate states, vote Liberal. After all, under their watch, separatist sentiment in both Quebec and Alberta has peaked. Mmmmm, yes. I’m sure they’ll do better *next* time…
Posted on 16-Dec-05 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Kimmy: Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. Stephen Harper with his extreme radical positions will never win over the most liberal of places in North America.
Garth: Speaking of ‘watch’ - I shudder to think back to the last time the conservatives were in office and their watch - resulting in the creation of the Bloc Quebecois. Remeber the 12% approval they had when they were run out of office? Obviously you were on of the 12% I take it.
Posted on 16-Dec-05 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
Garth Wood wrote:
Jason Cee: Nope. Liberal, born and raised — my paternal grandfather (Tommy Wood) was a Liberal senator from Saskatchewan, and various luminaries and high-level backroom operators of the Federal Liberal Party have interacted with and befriended my family for decades from the Thirties through the Nineties. I’ve merely been watching the train-wreck for the last decade with an ever-increasing sense of appalled horror. I’m no Conservative, but re-electing the Libs right now after their sheer recklessness on the separatism files alone would be the highest folly.
The Libs need an extended walk in the wilderness to purge themselves of the fools they’ve accreted to the party over the last few decades, as well as an opportunity to renew their thinking over what Canada is, what it means, and where it should go. No second-rate thinkers, please — any idiot can engage in knee-jerk anti-Americanism, boutique socialism and the politics of envy and division.
And in the Liberal Party of Canada, every idiot has!
Posted on 16-Dec-05 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Garth: Why are you lying? What is the point of going onto blogs with the soul purpose of lying? What constructive out-come can come out of that? Prentending to be the one you’re criticising is an old ploy. Sure, “I used to be liberal but I saw that light…” - that might work in the US but not here. If you can’t provide any interesting comments, stay away from this blog and crawl back into the hole you came from.
Posted on 17-Dec-05 at 10:20 am | Permalink
Toby wrote:
The further this election progresses, the less I become interested in it. None of the parties would receive my vote as there is something major wrong with each of them: the Bloc are separatists, the Liberals are corrupt and are anti-American, the NDP will spend is into oblivion, and the Conservatives want to continuously challenge the constitution. No other party as a chance to make an impact on the government. The Bloc has the best social policy as it believes provincial governments should have jurisdiction over its own affairs. This is line with the constitution; the NDP and the Liberal parties both violate the constitution with their never ending social policy announcements and phantom health care funding.
Even being a political science student at the University of Ottawa, I will not cast a vote this election because there is no political party which I could support.
Posted on 17-Dec-05 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Toby: What about the green party? What about all the fringe parties? Is there truly absolutely no-one you could vote for? Have you had a chance to investigate the candidates running in your riding? Just because someone is liberal/conservative/ndp does not mean that as individuals they cannot come up with some worthy legislation that you would be able to agree with. AS political science student, I’m sure you understand the importance of voting.
Posted on 17-Dec-05 at 6:24 pm | Permalink
Toby wrote:
Not that it matters but my home riding is in Calgary, so it is obviously Conservative, and will be in this election. All of the fringe parties are too radical in my view and have absolutely no chance of ever getting even one seat in parliament. The Green party only really deals with environmental issues and has little to say about anything that is not an environmental concern
Posted on 17-Dec-05 at 7:49 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Toby: I hear you on the Calgary riding. However all parties get 1.75$ for each vote - if they match up to your interests, this helps them build a base.
Posted on 17-Dec-05 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
Garth Wood wrote:
Jason Cee:
I’m not lying. This is the problem with attempting to discourse on blogs at all — as the old saying goes, “On the Internet, no-one knows that you’re a dog”. Your accusation, besides being unfounded, naively assumes that people never change their minds about anything of any import.
Please stop projecting, or whatever-the-Hell it is you’re doing. And by the by, I wasn’t aware that you considered this blog (or the blogosphere in general) as your playbox. I’ll go where I want, when I want, infant. Wanna talk to me personally? No problem. Ask publicly for my email address, and I’ll give it to you. (Better yet, you can just grab it off of several other blogs I frequent — SDA comes to mind, just search the comments — and you can yell at me all you want. You’ll forgive me if I grab a glass of vino first.)
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Garth Woody - Settle down fella and stop pouting. Wipe up those tears big boy. Why the hell would I want to chat with you personnally on your e-mail? I’m not looking for a date. If you must e-mail me, my e-mail address is jc@hotmail.com - however don’t expect a picture of me… Seriously, if you can’t handle the heat - don’t shoot the messanger for it. And yes, I do consider the blogosphere my personal playground - what is the point of blogs and the possibility of leaving comments otherwise? I’ll say it as I see it regardless of how much you try to warp the message. We live in a free country - unlike the US run by conservatives. As well, in my long and glorious history of leaving comments on the internet, I am not the one who ups the ante unless I am forced to do so. If you have noticed in all your original replies to me - you have simply attacked the messanger and posted some talking points in retort. I will continue doing so until my computer keyboard falls apart or until I get bored (I can’t keep checking this blog out forever!)
As well, what fun is a one-sided blog anyway? What is the point of politics if debates, regardless of level, cannot take place? Welcome to what we “liberals” call a democracy.
By the way garth - this is the first and only Canadian political blog I have ever frequented.
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
Garth Wood wrote:
It shows, Jason Cee. It shows.
Calling me a “liar” defies convention, which on the Internet, goes something like this: you assume that your fellow-travelers are who they say they are, unless you have concrete evidence otherwise. Anything else is pointless, since by your own lights, you could very well be a CSIS operative trying to smoke out “liberals” whom you could then place on a watch list. *I’ve* assumed you’re someone with a first name of Jason, family name beginning with “C” (and who doesn’t want to reveal anything more than that), who claims to have liberal (but not explicitly Liberal) bona fides.
You’ve assumed I’m a liar, with a background and life-path different from what I’m representing. I’m calling you on it. And you’re nothing but a jocular coward for not responding in any way that can actually allow you to discover the truth of what I’m saying.
But then, the Internet’s an ideal place for a coward, I guess.
Ciao, “Robert McLelland Jr.” You know where to find more info about me, should you ever actually drum up the courage to do so.
But I sincerely doubt it.
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
Garth Woodrow - Wow! You really figured me out. I totally am Robert McLeland Jr… How on earth did you figure it out. You’re so clever…
What on earth are you on? My hunch tells me you’re one of those conspiracy buffs bent on thinking that everything is against you. Sure Garth - I’m a CSIS agent secretly attempting to smoke out ex-liberals.. Buddy, get a grip on reality will you?
Drum up the courage to do what exactly? Limit my dialog to you alone? Excuse me, but the last time I checked I was free to say and do whatever I pleased. What are you, my mother? What is this pre-school nonsense you’re drumming up? Why do you insist sooo much that I send you some e-mails? This isn’t Lavalife buddy. If I didn’t have any courage I wouldn’t be talking to you. As well, I did give you my e-mail address, no?
So stop being a big baby and move on with life. If you have nothing of political interest for this blog move on buddy, move on. And yes, I see the irony behind this, but I am forced to reply to your personal attacks. Leave your anger at the door.
Don’t shoot the messanger just because you don’t like the message, Garth.
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 4:41 pm | Permalink
Jason C wrote:
While Garth may be attempting a form of censorship on me and my message by attacking me personally, I do welcome real criticism of what I have to say since, afterall, we still live in a free country the last time I checked. So you can stop accusing me of being a bot or working for CSIS. But as long as the message contains personal attacks (of which all of Garth’s have been from the get-go, I will reply in kind).
((personal attack removed. -kimmy))
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
Frank Wiley wrote:
LOL - too funny.
I think I once had it with this Garth guy as well in the past. He was pretty out there if I recall. I remember him making things personal rather quickly (some posting about gay marriage I think).
That aside, I do believe the Liberals are indeed using national unity for personal gains. There is no doubt about this. While it will not work for them outside of Ontario, it goes to show how deperate they are for power.
Posted on 18-Dec-05 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Mavis wrote:
I just wanted to pop in and say hi… so… Hi!
Posted on 10-Jan-06 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
Brian wrote:
Currently there are no good parties to vote for right now. The country will probably be screwed over for 4 years due to a Conservative majority. The Conservatives have wrong idea on basically anything, the only thing I like about them is the fact they get things done, maybe not the right things, but they aren’t pansies like the liberals. The Liberals couldn’t keep a promise if their life depended on it, and the current government is far too corrupt. The obvious choice right now would be the NDP, but seeing as no one has any confidence in them, it’s not likely to happen. The NDP have the right ideas for Canada, but all of the Liberals who no longer trust the Liberal government don’t have the common sense to vote for the thing closest to the liberals, the NDP, instead, they vote the complete opposite, for the Conservatives. Right now Ontario is the only place with the right idea, sure the Liberals arent good, but the NDP sure as hell isn’t getting elected, and Conservatives just suck, so they’re keeping Liberal, the lesser of two evils.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 13-Jan-06 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
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