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	<title>Comments on: Governor-General, Confidence Motions, and Adscam</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Currie: Books and Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-171325</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Currie: Books and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Whitlam in Australia in 1974 (HT: Andrew Coyne). You can read the summary at Politics Watch. the politicThe GG is not going to dismiss Martin...this week. However, if for some reason, such as the debate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Whitlam in Australia in 1974 (HT: Andrew Coyne). You can read the summary at Politics Watch. the politicThe GG is not going to dismiss Martin&#8230;this week. However, if for some reason, such as the debate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Governor General on the line &#124; andrewcoyne.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-152332</link>
		<dc:creator>The Governor General on the line &#124; andrewcoyne.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MORER: An encyclopedic review of the G-G&#8217;s powers at ThePolitic. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-33427</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; The West&#8217;s Week of Long Knives?</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; The West&#8217;s Week of Long Knives?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 22:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eek we have seen how the Liberal Party of Canada has broken constitutional convention (and here) and undermined responsible government (and he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eek we have seen how the Liberal Party of Canada has broken constitutional convention (and here) and undermined responsible government (and he [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; The Rules that Support Constitutional Conventions:  Martin Threatens Responsible Government</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; The Rules that Support Constitutional Conventions:  Martin Threatens Responsible Government</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  government.   Conventions only work when politicians agree to abide by them.  This is the point I made last week when I said that conventions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 00:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last Tuesday&#039;s motion was indeed one of confidence seems clear enough to me:  an MP could not in good faith support both that motion and the government.

But even those who deny that assertion have failed to explain how a 10-day delay meets the requirement for a more explicit test of confidence at &quot;the earliest opportunity.&quot;

&quot;Experts&quot; have in the past suggested that a government can assume they have the support of the House unless some event occurs to question that support.  When such an event does occur, the government is obliged to test the confidence of the House at the earliest opportunity.

Instead, this government seems to acknowledge that the House&#039;s confidence is indeed in question, but as long as they can introduce enough new motions and bills to &quot;buy&quot; a winning formula, they can continue to govern.  Imagine if Mr. Clark&#039;s government simply re-wrote their budget when it failed, instead of bowing to convention.  Yet Mr. Martin and Mr. Goodale have both publicly acknowledged that their budget does not have the confidence of the House, and that MPs voted last Tuesday &quot;to defeat the government&quot; yet they seem to be trying to find a winning formula to _re-gain_ the confidence of the House.

As far as I am aware, such arrogance is unprecedented in British Parliamentary tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last Tuesday&#8217;s motion was indeed one of confidence seems clear enough to me:  an MP could not in good faith support both that motion and the government.</p>
<p>But even those who deny that assertion have failed to explain how a 10-day delay meets the requirement for a more explicit test of confidence at &#8220;the earliest opportunity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Experts&#8221; have in the past suggested that a government can assume they have the support of the House unless some event occurs to question that support.  When such an event does occur, the government is obliged to test the confidence of the House at the earliest opportunity.</p>
<p>Instead, this government seems to acknowledge that the House&#8217;s confidence is indeed in question, but as long as they can introduce enough new motions and bills to &#8220;buy&#8221; a winning formula, they can continue to govern.  Imagine if Mr. Clark&#8217;s government simply re-wrote their budget when it failed, instead of bowing to convention.  Yet Mr. Martin and Mr. Goodale have both publicly acknowledged that their budget does not have the confidence of the House, and that MPs voted last Tuesday &#8220;to defeat the government&#8221; yet they seem to be trying to find a winning formula to _re-gain_ the confidence of the House.</p>
<p>As far as I am aware, such arrogance is unprecedented in British Parliamentary tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; What is a &#8220;democratic defecit&#8221; anyway?</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; What is a &#8220;democratic defecit&#8221; anyway?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 16:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] s to address the democratic deficit become more interesting now that Martin has decided to  ignore what Constitutional experts agree are no-co [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; Death of Responsible Government</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePolitic - Canadian Political Weblog &#187; Death of Responsible Government</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2005 14:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week&#8217;s motions were confidence motion, while Bliss regards them to be in agreement.  I noted that the disagreement is over what legal proced [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Cerber</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Cerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 14:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Observer - Thanks for the clarification.  Kerr was a little more &quot;interventionist&quot; (for lack of a better word) than I thought.  Though I think the point I was trying to make still stands more or less: that Kerr allowed the House to determine its own fate, except, as you point out, on the initiative of Fraser&#039;s advice (as interim PM, I take it) instead of Whitlam&#039;s.

You&#039;re right about Canadian republicanism.  In fact, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802044697/qid%3D1115993560/702-6559753-7620058&quot;&gt;Smith has elucidated all the reasons why it&#039;s only an option in Canada&lt;/a&gt;, and why (to his disappointment, it seems) the various legal, political, and cultural characteristics of Canada hinder any kind of republicanism.  I&#039;m skeptical about it myself, largely because a res publica requires a populus, which Canada lacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Observer &#8211; Thanks for the clarification.  Kerr was a little more &#8220;interventionist&#8221; (for lack of a better word) than I thought.  Though I think the point I was trying to make still stands more or less: that Kerr allowed the House to determine its own fate, except, as you point out, on the initiative of Fraser&#8217;s advice (as interim PM, I take it) instead of Whitlam&#8217;s.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about Canadian republicanism.  In fact, <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802044697/qid%3D1115993560/702-6559753-7620058">Smith has elucidated all the reasons why it&#8217;s only an option in Canada</a>, and why (to his disappointment, it seems) the various legal, political, and cultural characteristics of Canada hinder any kind of republicanism.  I&#8217;m skeptical about it myself, largely because a res publica requires a populus, which Canada lacks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2005/05/12/governor-general-confidence-motions-and-adscam/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>The Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2005 05:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, in the Whitlam case, Kerr (the GG) dissolved the house, on Fraser&#039;s advice, independant of Whitlam&#039;s non-confidence motion. Kerr deliberately refused to see the Speaker until after his secretary had read the dissolution proclamation. &lt;a href=&quot;http://whitlamdismissal.com&quot;&gt;whitlamdismissal.com&lt;/a&gt; has all the information you could want, including the original documents.

As to Canadian republicanism, this is a red herring on two counts. First, it would require unanimous consent to amend the Constitution. Good luck. More importantly, even if you replace the Governor General with a &quot;President&quot;, she would still have to have some variation of the reserve powers in order to prevent the very situation we are witnessing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, in the Whitlam case, Kerr (the GG) dissolved the house, on Fraser&#8217;s advice, independant of Whitlam&#8217;s non-confidence motion. Kerr deliberately refused to see the Speaker until after his secretary had read the dissolution proclamation. <a href="http://whitlamdismissal.com">whitlamdismissal.com</a> has all the information you could want, including the original documents.</p>
<p>As to Canadian republicanism, this is a red herring on two counts. First, it would require unanimous consent to amend the Constitution. Good luck. More importantly, even if you replace the Governor General with a &#8220;President&#8221;, she would still have to have some variation of the reserve powers in order to prevent the very situation we are witnessing.</p>
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